I've personally said all I have to say on the attacking/not attacking of the mods as I don't want this to disintegrate into yet another pointless argument that goes round in circles and where nothing gets resolved.

 

Upon mutual agreement the moderators have decided to take the following actions to try and reduce and prevent the amount of arguments there are surrounding the veto:

 

 

- For BJSC LIV we will suspend the veto process entirely. Not entirely sure on what will happen to the temporary moderator at this moment, it still requires a chat.

- Because of the above, we will allow you to self-regulate for BJSC LIV and there will be no intervening at all my the BJSC moderators regardless of what you confirm.

- Starting immediately the BJSC moderators will thrash out a fully comprehensive framework for a veto. We will then publicly post that here for consultation before we implement it.

- For BJSC LV we will use this new framework to provide a far more consistent approach to the veto. We will also be able to categorically state what lead to the song being kicked out.

 

 

I don't know what shape the framework will take but I do imagine that it will be weighted for example a song being in 10 BJSC PC's will be higher weighted than a song in 10 PC's but only 3 of them from BJSC participants.

Sounds like a good idea to me, if there's a fairly comprehensive list of what the criteria towards a vetoes entrant is, overall there should really be less complainants. Which will then, in turn, make the contest more enjoyable not only for participants and mods! :D

I think this is a very good idea, having a framework is something I think is very much needed - you can't argue against it.

Oh this has to happen in the contest I was meant to be temp-modding, TYPICAL. (Then again I wasn't originally going to be doing one anyway so I shouldn't complain :P)

I just hope people don't take advantage and send deliberately cheap stuff - if we treat it like we do EVERY contest these days, then this could be proved to be a very good idea. But then again, you're putting guidelines in, so I don't think people COULD send too cheap stuff, I believe.

- For BJSC LIV we will suspend the veto process entirely. Not entirely sure on what will happen to the temporary moderator at this moment, it still requires a chat.

- Because of the above, we will allow you to self-regulate for BJSC LIV and there will be no intervening at all my the BJSC moderators regardless of what you confirm.

 

I hope no-one decides to abuse this :cry:.

I don't participate but I've heard about the veto system and I think these proposals are good ideas, if only because you wouldn't see as much arguments.

 

I also hope that no one decides to abuse it either.

Edited April 13, 201312 yr by Griefeon

Oh this has to happen in the contest I was meant to be temp-modding, TYPICAL. (Then again I wasn't originally going to be doing one anyway so I shouldn't complain :P)

 

If I'm not mistaken we'll probably just push everyone back a month, so you'll be on the team for LV. ^_^

 

I think this is actually a good idea!

 

In a way, I sort of hope that someone does abuse it, just to put in perspective how important it is that the mods are there to veto! But a framework will be great to see exactly how songs are veto'd, and you can't argue with it in that caee.

What do people mean when they say they hope it isn't abused?

 

I thought that the new process would basically be working towards a more open veto process whereby it's more clear cut as to what is (or isn't) veto worthy, or are you all meaning that you hope people don't abuse the next contest with the ability to send ANYTHING. :lol:

What do people mean when they say they hope it isn't abused?

 

I thought that the new process would basically be working towards a more open veto process whereby it's more clear cut as to what is (or isn't) veto worthy, or are you all meaning that you hope people don't abuse the next contest with the ability to send ANYTHING. :lol:

 

Because there is no veto system in place for the next contest someone could probably send something like 'White Noise' by Disclosure and no-one could do anything about it!

 

EDIT

 

I should read the full comment :lol: Your second sentence sums it up perfectly.

Edited April 13, 201312 yr by Oliver

I just hope people don't take advantage and send deliberately cheap stuff - if we treat it like we do EVERY contest these days, then this could be proved to be a very good idea. But then again, you're putting guidelines in, so I don't think people COULD send too cheap stuff, I believe.

We're not putting any guidelines or anything in for next month. We're scaling back the regulations all the way back to the days before the Anti Cheap Movement and the subsequent AF Rule, then the Expanded AF Rule, the shitty and ineffective Banlist and then the Veto. Going back all the way to the regulation-less early days and the pre-XIV era.

 

The rules will consist of: No ESC tracks, No Covers (Maybe if they are significantly different), Nothing from the top3 of LIII, Not the same artist you sent last month, Nothing that has been entered before.

 

Other than that it's up to you whether you continue to treat it like a normal contest, express your annoyance at the veto system by entering something we've vetoed (I will ban anyone who subjects me to f***ing Darin :hitler: There's no need to send that abomination and violate everyones ears in such a horrific manner) :kink: , enter something you think may not pass the veto under normal circumstances or treat this like XXVIII and go bat shit crazy and take the chance to send a FUTURE CLASSIC like this United State of Jack entry:

 

This suspension is actually interesting due to the twist it'll contain regarding how cheap others will be for the next contest. I sincerely hope people don't go ballistics by sending a #1 hit in the UK such as Rihanna's We Found Love though.

Shotgun Dance in the Dark.

Hmmm I wonder what I should send to the next contest, Need U by Duke Dumont or Gentleman by Psy :thinking:

 

But seriously, I'm hoping no-one sends ridiculously cheap entries. The framework sounds like a good idea, hopefully it'll lead to less arguments and a happier atmosphere in this forum :D

I've long been hoping for a set of consistent guidelines to be put in place so I'm glad that this is going to happen. Next contest is also going to be very interesting into what happens without the veto system!

This is so going to be the cheapest contest since XIV.

 

 

GOD only knows what Bellamia are going to send :drama:

After thinking about it, I may actually send something in the next one that probably would get vetoed, but isn't "cheap" in any way.

 

An album track off an artist that flopped with their last album :lol:

 

But yes, like I said I hope no-one goes uber cheap with chart-topping songs from the past few weeks!

Oh GOOD, an excuse to enter Heartstrings!

 

Realistically I can't tell if it will turn into a farce with everybody sending whatever the hell they want (proving that the veto needs to exist) or if people will tread cautiously and we'll end up with a decent contest (and possibly prove that we could live without such strong measures). Will be intriguing but my gut feeling is that we'll have roughly half and half of each, just like we used to when Will You Remember Me Tomorrow had to overcome Pink's So What to win etc...

Oh GOOD, an excuse to enter Heartstrings!

 

Realistically I can't tell if it will turn into a farce with everybody sending whatever the hell (proving that the veto needs to exist) they want or if people will tread cautiously and we'll end up with a decent contest (and possibly prove that we could live without such strong measures). Will be intriguing.

 

I think the former. The contest will be the perfect way to showcase that there needs to be some sort of veto system in place.