I was always against the opinion of streaming or any change to the UK charts but I do think now the chart needs a change, especially if streaming is catching up with digital sales, although i do think the fall in sales has been in part due to lack of music variety and these stupid held back releases. But including streaming I think would make the charts more variable to different varieties for example a lot of indie/rock acts seem to do pretty well on spotify, Arctic Monkeys had 3 releases in the top 20 at one point on the spotify chart, which could have meant that DIWK would have gone top 10 and the follow up top 5 possibly had the sales been included depending on the ratio of course.

 

It will be interesting to see how they split the sales though, I doubt streaming would affect the chart too much in its own right but it could make subtle differences the further down the chart you go, but I can't see it being like 2008 when we had 4-5 week no.1s and really static top 10's when the downloads really started coming into force. Personally I think adding airplay would be a brilliant idea, does anyone know how they calculate the billboard airplay into the hot 100 out of interest?

Edited March 14, 201411 yr by Supercell

Personally I think adding airplay would be a brilliant idea

Personally I think that would be the worst thing to ever happen to the charts if it did. Radio will play songs because they are charting high, and songs will chart high because radio are playing them, which will encourage radio to keep playing them, do you see where I'm going? The charts would get ridiculously stale, plus it wouldn't be an accurate representation of what is truly popular, because airplay is decided by the radio whereas sales/streaming are decided by consumers.

Personally I think all live performances should count towards the chart. So for example everyone watching X Factor contributes to every song that appears on there. Hell, it should be counted to the chart whenever someone hears a song anywhere.

Personally I think all live performances should count towards the chart. So for example everyone watching X Factor contributes to every song that appears on there. Hell, it should be counted to the chart whenever someone hears a song anywhere.

imo if someone even thinks about a song it should count towards its chart position.

Personally I think you've taken it too far, Thermo :P. ('Trumpets' is the soundtrack to many of my nightmares and I don't want them to be chart eligible).

 

EDIT: Oh wait I live in Ireland, don't I. Carry on.

Edited March 14, 201411 yr by Noahspike

imo if someone even thinks about a song it should count towards its chart position.

 

Why are you not the boss of the OCC yet???

Yes, but you couldn't think about a song before its official release date, you could however still pre-order your right to think about a song so that they could be added up and bundled together in Week 1 for maximum impact.

^ :lol:

 

How the hell would a Saturdays post-album release work though? Seemingly you could think about an album track to your heart's content until it's been made a single, at which point all thinking is made album-only? (Could this save their album sales?!) Also if you think about their songs without Mollie's vocals, would it still count as a sale?

 

Too far?

Personally I think that would be the worst thing to ever happen to the charts if it did. Radio will play songs because they are charting high, and songs will chart high because radio are playing them, which will encourage radio to keep playing them, do you see where I'm going? The charts would get ridiculously stale, plus it wouldn't be an accurate representation of what is truly popular, because airplay is decided by the radio whereas sales/streaming are decided by consumers.

 

Yeah I kind of see what you mean, yes the chart would be more stale but it would reflect more of what is popular than it does currently as I think as the charts at the moment aren't most of the time reflective of what is popular due to all these held back releases, and having songs struggling to sell upwards of 200k in total after hitting no.1 and having songs not even making the top 10 selling double or even three times that amount is really quite pathetic.

 

Wasn't there a UK Billboard chart that someone used to do, I loved to read it as it was interesting to see how the chart would look, I would do it myself but have no idea how they add airplay figures to sales in a chart.

USA # but likely relevant to this thread.

 

UK streaming market is about 2 years behind IMO.

 

 

RIAA 2013 Report for the US Music Market

http://76.74.24.142/2463566A-FF96-E0CA-2766-72779A364D01.pdf

 

 

 

2012:

 

Streaming Revenue: $1.0328 billion USD (up 59%)

Singles Download Revenue: $1.623.6 billion USD (up 6.7%)

Album Download Revenue: $1.205 billion USD

CD (physical): $2.4856 billion USD

 

2013:

 

Streaming Revenue: $1.439 billion USD (up 39.3%)

Singles Download Revenue: $1.569 billion USD (down 3.4%)

Album Download Revenue: $1.234 billion USD (up 2.4%)

CD (physical): $2.1235 (down 14.6%)

 

 

 

 

 

 

For those wondering why Billboard include streaming, look no further than this stat:

 

Streaming Revenue: $1.0328 billion USD (up 59%)

Streaming Revenue: $1.439 billion USD (up 39.3%)

 

 

y'know, THAT record which entered at 9 in the US Hot 100 last week, is out this week. So, its chart position was entirely based on curiosity, nothing to do with popularity. No sales, no repeat views. Case proven m'lud in the charge against youtube being included in the charts. Guilty!

y'know, THAT record which entered at 9 in the US Hot 100 last week, is out this week.

 

Which record do you refer to?

Which record do you refer to?

Soko 'We Might Be Dead By Tomorrow' - which went to #9 in the US Hot 100 after being used as background music for a viral video.

Soko 'We Might Be Dead By Tomorrow' - which went to #9 in the US Hot 100 after being used as background music for a viral video.

I find it ridiculous that the US charts even include views of videos which have the song as their background music. Seriously, how does it represent the popularity - it rarely happens that people are actually watching it for the music. I really hope this never happens in the UK (which I don't think it will, even if they include streaming, the OCC aren't that stupid)

Breaking News

 

The OCC are set to announce later today that streaming will be included in the singles chart from the beginning of June. In order to generate some publicity for this change East 17 have come together to record a new version of their top ten hit Steam with a new title Stream.

Breaking News

 

The OCC are set to announce later today that streaming will be included in the singles chart from the beginning of June. In order to generate some publicity for this change East 17 have come together to record a new version of their top ten hit Steam with a new title Stream.

 

http://i.imgur.com/rm5H90s.jpg

 

Fantastic! Great to see the boys back again - easily my favourite band in British musical history by singing talent alone. Future #1?

Breaking News

 

The OCC are set to announce later today that streaming will be included in the singles chart from the beginning of June. In order to generate some publicity for this change East 17 have come together to record a new version of their top ten hit Steam with a new title Stream.

Is this an April Fools?

Is this an April Fools?

Yes :P

http://i.imgur.com/rm5H90s.jpg

 

Fantastic! Great to see the boys back again - easily my favourite band in British musical history by singing talent alone. Future #1?

Liking your work :lol:

Looks like physical CD, digital tracks download and digital album downloads all have peaked in the USA.

 

All 3 are now in decline.

 

Streaming is the only component growing (should surpass download by the end of 2015)

 

the GROWTH of streaming in the USA

 

2011: $650 million

2012: $1.033 billion (up 59%)

2013: $1.439 billion (up 39%)

 

http://www.billboard.com/biz/articles/news...down-streams-up

 

At the end of the quarter, digital tracks were down 12.5%, to 312 million units from 356.5 million units. Digital albums were down 14.2%, to 27.8 million from 32.4 million in the U.S., according to Nielsen SoundScan.

It's easy to see why Itunes want to do an exclusive to prevent streaming from growing even faster:

 

Finally, for the first time in recent memory, all different store types posted declines, with chains and mass merchants suffering the biggest hits with 24.4% and 24.5% declines respectively, to 7.5 million units and 14.1 million units for the first quarter. But download stores also had a big decline, 14.2% to 27.8 million units, suffering a reversal in fortune after a decade of gains. Also, non-traditional CD merchants also posted a slight decline of 2.9% to 8 million units while indie stores were down 16.6% to 4.1 million units.

Edited April 8, 201411 yr by Dust2