June 15, 201411 yr Thanks again to everyone who voted for Kitty, I'm glad that I managed to move up to 17th by the end after spending the majority of the contest in the bottom 10. It looks like people may have believed the little bit of hype I managed to create for myself! The reason I did it was because it was such a different entry to a typical Ramrynia entry and therefore was very unsure as to whether it would be liked by anyone which is why I felt the need to draw lots of attention to it so people may subconsciously give more attention to it. It was fun to try all this hype business anyway and for all I know, I may have come bottom 5 or so without it or I may have put people off due to them getting fed up with my incessant posting! I'm glad I managed to cause quite a reaction with such a different and inspired entry and it does give me more confidence to continue to try slightly different genres knowing that I did qualify and get nearly 100 points. Congratulations to Chris on finally winning - great feeling that I got the 12 points from the eventual winner! :kink: Great hosting from Rich also and I look forward to the next contest. I do have a song already lined up (another very inspired choice - what is happening to me?) and if I go with it I think it could do quite well but it depends how instant people find the song as it did take me a couple of listens to fully appreciate it and it continues to grow with every listen.
June 15, 201411 yr Rich hunni I haven't managed 2 follow along but when I get net I will give everything a proper read and no doubt ur hosting will have been flawless
June 15, 201411 yr Ashton (54/54) Final Scoreboard 17. Ramrynia: Kitty Pryde - •.¸.•SECOND♥LIFE•.¸.• - 91 (Most votes) 18. The Federal Republic of Ashton: Albin - Din Soldat (feat Kristin Amparo) – 91 (More 5's) 19. Cumulonimbia: Max Richter - Spring 1 [Ade Laugee Remix] - 91 20. Skall: Phoria – Emanate - 91 I hate to be an arse but why do I come last out of this four way tie? Ramrynia had more votes than anyone but I had more 12s than Ashton and Cumulonimbia, which I would've thought take priority over more 5s. Such a crazy tie though! I never thought my favourite tracks in the top 15 would be by Rontvia and Zechonia! The final was good but the scoreboard would be much more satisfying if it were upsidedown. Ehh.
June 15, 201411 yr You had the least voters of the four of us. It's on the spreadsheet. Think you had 13 to mine and Dr Blind's 14 voters.
June 15, 201411 yr Author I hate to be an arse but why do I come last out of this four way tie? Ramrynia had more votes than anyone but I had more 12s than Ashton and Cumulonimbia, which I would've thought take priority over more 5s. Such a crazy tie though! I never thought my favourite tracks in the top 15 would be by Rontvia and Zechonia! The final was good but the scoreboard would be much more satisfying if it were upsidedown. Ehh. Ties are broken entirely by number of voters in the final, of which you had the least of the four. Thank you for supporting Auf Uns, I wasn't expecting 8 from Skall! :wub:
June 15, 201411 yr Such a shame Rae lost out by a single point and Sophia was so close :( not a fan of Tear This House Up I'm afraid :P Dia Frampton getting that second 5th place BJSC hit in the 130ish pts range!
June 16, 201411 yr Author Just realised that Juranabaijan gave Altyr 10 in the semi before failing to vote in the final. Oops! Nork only gave Hendinia and N DNTN 6 points and 1 point in the semi respectively so they wouldn't have furthered the cause much for either of those had they voted...
June 16, 201411 yr alright ppl do we have to play the shit on my victory game all day :( get used to it coz it happens to all of us. YASSSS 152 FINALLY JOINING OUR CLUB
June 16, 201411 yr BJSC is so split down the middle these days though, whereas it used to be a predominantly pop contest. Lipstick would have easily won in 2010. Now when you send a big tacky pop song you have to be aware that a good 20-25 countries are just going to avoid it like the plague. That still leaves 25-30 pop or 'in the middle' countries to potentially reap votes from and Lipstick pretty much hoovered up all of those! There's a much bigger chance these days for a song to essentially 12 its way to victory too, or rather win by getting huge votes from a clutch of people, if it ticks all the boxes for everyone within a certain voting demographic. N DNTN was voted for by 22/54 countries. 32 countries didn't vote for the winner but the countries that did vote for it largely absolutely loved it. aren't these two points basically the same thing tho? like pretty much all my entries have done this and yet i've never managed to win before.... a banging pop song is just as likely / potentially even more likely to 12 its way to victory by that logic. i still fail to see how ppl are using this 'pop songs are at a disadvantage' thing to justify why they didn't win when it's so obviously not true.
June 16, 201411 yr Author aren't these two points basically the same thing tho? like pretty much all my entries have done this and yet i've never managed to win before.... a banging pop song is just as likely / potentially even more likely to 12 its way to victory by that logic. i still fail to see how ppl are using this 'pop songs are at a disadvantage' thing to justify why they didn't win when it's so obviously not true. I do agree, I'm certainly not trying to devalue your win, you won fair and square by scoring the most points out of 32 entries, no mean feat regardless of the way it got there! I think it comes down to the competition on offer as well and nothing in the contest sounded like Tear The House Up this month so it did well through its uniqueness. Quite similar to RAMelia last month in that respect, I honestly thought it would come bottom half of the final at best when I confirmed it. It was only when I listened to the rest of the entries and realised how much it stood out of the pack that I started to think it would win. Similarly, Lipstick was the really only huge proper pop song in the competition this month and hoovered up almost all of the big pop points. In a month where 5 similar songs might have been entered its effect would have been diluted quite a bit no doubt. But my point is that BJSC used to be about trying to appeal to everyone in a reasonably big way (as it was pretty much a pop contest through and through). Now it's more about appealing to half of the voters in a huge way, seeing as there are two very opposing demographics now and probably only 10-15 countries sitting in the middle. As I watched the votes roll in, there were a good 30 sets that I could have largely guessed what people had voted for before I'd even seen the PM. Not a bad thing, but you certainly get used to people's tastes! When the whole comp was tacky pop songs it was obviously much harder to guess which tacky pop songs people would favour :lol:
June 16, 201411 yr I'm not sure I would say that's entirely accurate. On a scale of pure/tacky pop to whatever you want to call the opposite end ('indie' is hideously inaccurate so I refuse to use that term) you get some songs that are very far on the pop end of the spectrum but pretty much none that are far towards the other end (and those that are will pretty much invariably be weeded out in the semis for being too niche e.g. Zechonia's rockier entries and Séyetana's non-Nightwish metal entries). So I'd say you either try and appeal to the core pop hoes at the expense of the half of voters who won't touch it with a bargepole, or you play the middle ground and hope for crossover. It seems to me that you still need to be pretty close to the pop end to have a chance of winning, it's just that the pop hoes have a tendency to only consider terrible trashy pop to be 'pop' and all other music is 'indie' so we get people moaning when pop songs win that 'pop songs never win'. I expect there will be a 'Lipstick' esque song that blasts to victory through receiving a billion 12s again one day. Arguably there already was one in 'Sissy That Walk' of course but that's not really quite the same.
June 16, 201411 yr Oh, I never complained with my point at all! I'm delighted Lipstick came 3rd and I don't think any factors could be played to say I should've won etc, N DNTN won fair and square and I'm completely happy with doing well again as I didn't expect anywhere near that result when I sent it! Like you say, I was effectively the same as N DNTN, I got to 3rd on the back of 5 12's and a whole heap of high points, only 18/53 people even voted for it, which is only just a third of the people. The winners have been very interesting this year and show that you really can't pinpoint BJSC at the moment. Trashy pop won 2 contests ago, trance won last month, rap-dance won this contest. It's exciting but a hell of a lot more difficult, like Rich said, I have no doubt I'd have won comfortably in 2010 with Lipstick but BJSC is so much more diverse now.
June 16, 201411 yr Trashy pop won 2 contests ago do i sense jealousy in your voice since none of the trash you send ever wins these days xxx
June 16, 201411 yr The winners have been very interesting this year and show that you really can't pinpoint BJSC at the moment. Trashy pop won 2 contests ago, trance won last month, rap-dance won this contest. It's exciting but a hell of a lot more difficult, like Rich said, I have no doubt I'd have won comfortably in 2010 with Lipstick but BJSC is so much more diverse now. and this is why BJSC is so interesting, any genre could win and there's a big variety of songs to choose from. We haven't had any specific genre win twice this year so far
June 16, 201411 yr Author What's amazing is how much the quality has gone up overall in the last year or two. When songs right near the bottom are scoring only 60 points less than the winner you can see how spread out the points usually are these days, which is testament to the diverse range of great stuff being sent. 'Flopping' in 23rd with 85 points or whatever is actually nothing to be ashamed of at all.
June 16, 201411 yr What's amazing is how much the quality has gone up overall in the last year or two. When songs right near the bottom are scoring only 60 points less than the winner you can see how spread out the points usually are these days, which is testament to the diverse range of great stuff being sent. 'Flopping' in 23rd with 85 points or whatever is actually nothing to be ashamed of at all. hear hear, I think everyone has upped their game cos nothing can be taken for granted - much more exciting than being able to predict who's going to win rather easily. I wonder, am I pop ho, indie beeyatch, or piggy int middle... :lol:
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