Crazy that Fleur is still in the Top 50!

Yeah you can't deny Eminem's legacy. When artists like Plan B, Professor Green, Devlin and even Mike Skinner first broke through, they were all sold as the "British Eminem". It was almost like the only reference point :lol:

 

I suppose you can credit Timbaland with that too, although I can only think of Justin Timberlake and Nelly Furtado that fit your criteria :lol:

 

Dr. Dre as well, he must have been a big part of the reason people took Eminem seriously and not just as another Vanilla Ice.

That's not quite what I meant. What I'm suggesting is that if a record label had a choice between a white and a black rapper/singer of equal talent, they would probably choose the white one because they are more "marketable". Its generally a UK thing, since the majority of the population is white.

 

Your point about white people dominating black music genres is too true. Some of these cases are marketability over talent :(

 

I think both things are connected, white people being more marketable for record labels than black people when doing R&B/hip hop is why they're dominating those genres atm, at least in the mainstream. I think it's probably because it's more unusual, and also I think a white person can record a hip hop song and pretend it's a pure pop song quite easily. Like I bet a lot of people don't realize that Dark Horse, Royals, Fancy, etc. actually have hip hop instrumentals.

 

On the other hand, the dance-pop trend of around 2008-2011 was dominated by black people, so it evens out I guess. :lol:

Dr. Dre as well, he must have been a big part of the reason people took Eminem seriously and not just as another Vanilla Ice.

 

When you think of Eminem, you inevitability think of Dr. Dre :lol: Its like Timbaland-Timberlake or Tinie-Labrinth; the best music they make is together!

I think both things are connected, white people being more marketable for record labels than black people when doing R&B/hip hop is why they're dominating those genres atm, at least in the mainstream. I think it's probably because it's more unusual, and also I think a white person can record a hip hop song and pretend it's a pure pop song quite easily. Like I bet a lot of people don't realize that Dark Horse, Royals, Fancy, etc. actually have hip hop instrumentals.

 

On the other hand, the dance-pop trend of around 2008-2011 was dominated by black people, so it evens out I guess. :lol:

 

Hmm maybe its because it less threatening for some people if they see a white person do an R&B/Hip Hop track. Whereas if say, 50 Cent, did a pop song then most people would still be put off because of image.

 

Somebody else here made a point that if George Erza was black he would be classed as an R&B/Soul singer which is interesting. The opinion that black artists are automatically classed as "urban" is probably correct.

 

 

Kworb Combined Update - as per 0.1 hours ago

1 1.0000 Mark Ronson - Uptown Funk (feat. Bruno Mars)

2 0.4828 Taylor Swift - Blank Space

3 0.4370 Ed Sheeran - Thinking Out Loud

4 0.4178 Ben Haenow - Something I Need

5 0.3154 Olly Murs - Up (feat. Demi Lovato)

6 0.3049 Meghan Trainor - All About That Bass

7 0.2530 Taylor Swift - Shake It Off

8 0.2433 Take That - These Days

9 0.2421 Olly Murs - Wrapped Up (feat. Travie McCoy)

10 0.2340 Jessie J, Ariana Grande & Nicki Minaj - Bang Bang

 

11 0.2198 Calvin Harris - Outside (feat. Ellie Goulding)

12 0.2043 Alesso - Heroes (we could be) [feat. Tove Lo]

13 0.1804 Ed Sheeran - Don't

14 0.1720 One Direction - Steal My Girl

15 0.1704 Sam Smith - Like I Can

16 0.1650 George Ezra - Blame It on Me

17 0.1626 Clean Bandit & Jess Glynne - Real Love

18 0.1616 One Direction - Night Changes

19 0.1416 Idina Menzel - Let It Go

20 0.1389 George Ezra - Budapest

 

21 0.1189 David Guetta - Dangerous (feat. Sam Martin)

22 0.1168 Sam Smith - I'm Not the Only One

23 0.1122 Sam Smith - Stay With Me

24 0.1001 Ed Sheeran - Sing

25 0.1000 Sia - Chandelier

26 0.0986 Ella Henderson - Ghost

27 0.0961 Hozier - Take Me To Church

28 0.0950 Ella Henderson - Yours

29 0.0890 MAGIC! - Rude

30 0.0865 Nico & Vinz - Am I Wrong

 

31 0.0842 Calvin Harris - Blame (feat. John Newman)

32 0.0840 The Script - Superheroes

33 0.0790 Labrinth - Jealous

34 0.0746 Wretch 32 - 6 Words

35 0.0739 George Ezra - Listen to the Man

36 0.0714 Maroon 5 - Animals

37 0.0691 Oliver Heldens - Last All Night (Koala) [feat. KStewart]

38 0.0613 Sam Smith - Money On My Mind

39 0.0604 Blonde - I Loved You (feat. Melissa Steel)

40 0.0604 The Vamps - Oh Cecilia (Breaking My Heart) [feat. Shawn Mendes]

 

41 0.0574 Mr. Probz - Waves

42 0.0569 Ariana Grande - Problem (feat. Iggy Azalea)

43 0.0535 Ariana Grande - Break Free (feat. Zedd)

44 0.0535 OneRepublic - Counting Stars

45 0.0532 Coldplay - A Sky Full of Stars

46 0.0524 Nicki Minaj - Anaconda

47 0.0513 Pharrell Williams - Happy

48 0.0485 Sigma - Changing (feat. Paloma Faith)

49 0.0468 Ariana Grande & The Weeknd - Love Me Harder

50 0.0460 Jeremih - Don't Tell 'Em (feat. YG)

 

51 0.0449 Band Aid 30 - Do They Know It's Christmas? (2014)

52 0.0443 Vance Joy - Riptide

53 0.0438 John Legend - All of Me

54 0.0426 Fifth Harmony - Bo$$

55 0.0421 The Weeknd - Earned It (Fifty Shades of Grey)

56 0.0413 Gorgon City - Go All Night (feat. Jennifer Hudson)

57 0.0376 Rixton - Me and My Broken Heart

58 0.0364 Charli XCX - Boom Clap

59 0.0364 Beyoncé - 7/11

60 0.0355 Cheryl - I Don't Care

 

61 0.0337 Tom Odell - Real Love

62 0.0334 Clean Bandit - Rather Be (feat. Jess Glynne)

xx 0.0332 Philip George - Wish You Were Mine (pre-order)

63 0.0326 Iggy Azalea - Black Widow (feat. Rita Ora)

64 0.0326 Bring Me the Horizon - Drown

65 0.0316 Pitbull - Timber (feat. Ke$ha)

66 0.0315 Ed Sheeran - Photograph

67 0.0305 Katy Perry - Dark Horse (feat. Juicy J)

68 0.0302 Kid Ink - Body Language (feat. Usher & Tinashe)

69 0.0300 Waze & Odyssey & R. Kelly - Bump & Grind 2014

70 0.0291 Union J - You Got It All

 

71 0.0282 James Newton Howard - The Hanging Tree

72 0.0276 Ariana Grande - Santa Tell Me

73 0.0273 Avicii - Hey Brother

74 0.0266 Years & Years - Desire

75 0.0264 Rita Ora - I Will Never Let You Down

76 0.0256 G.R.L. - Ugly Heart

77 0.0255 Wealdstone Raider - Got No Fans

Why was my post from last night asking why Thinking Out Loud was at #2 again deleted? the reason why I asked was because I was away for the whole day yesterday so I didn't know what might have caused his boost.

Edited December 27, 201410 yr by Sheikh Abdul

Why was my post from last night asking why Thinking Out Loud was at #2 again deleted? the reason why I asked was because I was away for the whole day yesterday so I didn't know what might have caused his boost.

Gift card effect

pre-order update

 

71. Wish You Were Mine - Philip George

162. Lips Are Movin - Meghan Trainor

379. Promesses (feat. Kaleem Taylor) [Radio Edit] - Tchami

605. L.A.LOVE (la la) - Fergie

715. Something New - Axwell Λ Ingrosso

Yeah you can't deny Eminem's legacy. When artists like Plan B, Professor Green, Devlin and even Mike Skinner first broke through, they were all sold as the "British Eminem". It was almost like the only reference point :lol:

 

I suppose you can credit Timbaland with that too, although I can only think of Justin Timberlake and Nelly Furtado that fit your criteria :lol:

 

Britney tried to transition with ' boys 'but it didnt work. Jennifer Lopez rode the 1999 latin trend and in 2002 teamed up with Ja Rule, even with LL Cool J in 2003, shes now trying club bangers! Christina Aguilera worked with Redman on stripped for a more urban sound but she hedged her bets and didnt go all out in case the trend passed. .

 

Glad to see Ariana benefitting from the gift card effect in some sort of way! Now to keep praying 'Love Me Harder' can keep pushing for a late top 40 entry...

New thread peeps?

21. Philip George - Wish You Were Mine

 

I have a feeling Phillip could get to no1 on iTunes and the mids but obv UF should be no1 by next Sunday for a third week and the same could happen with Promesses next week it'll be the streams that'll easily outshine any release until Meghan!

I have a feeling Phillip could get to no1 on iTunes and the mids but obv UF should be no1 by next Sunday for a third week and the same could happen with Promesses next week it'll be the streams that'll easily outshine any release until Meghan!

Philip might get close to the iTunes #1, though I doubt it'll come anywhere close officially (assuming Uptown Funk's streaming holds up well). should easily make the top 5 anyhow!

 

not expecting anything from Promesses though, even a low-selling top 20 seems too optimistic imo

 

2. Philip George - Wish You Were Mine

69. Saint Raymond - Fall At Your Feet

Edited December 28, 201410 yr by ManicKangaroo

This thread is still open? wow! I don't think Philip George will get to #1 on iTunes, Uptown Funk has had 3 consecutive green updates on kworb.