No, what you are supposed to do is to pretend there is a chance you might vote Tory and engage him in conversation for a while, thereby reducing the number of homes he can visit.

Scotland doesn't realy do bank holidays. So my entire street was at work. They didn't get shit from anyone!

 

The joys of a commuter town!

You're committing to billions upon billions of cuts over the next few years, we're not. Even if Labour will spend more in the final year of parliament there's still years of cuts to public services and the welfare system to get through yet. Plus the waste of £100bn on a weapon system we don't need.

 

Spending more in 5 years doesn't mean you're ending austerity. Claimin otherwise is completely contradictory to what every senior labour figure has been saying for the past 4 years

Awesome to know you've looked into your crystal ball and seen that Britain will never come under attack or find itself in need of a defence system!

well, here's a fantastic idea - why don't all of the countries of europe all contribute to a mutual defence system paid for by all member countries as a same percentage of GDP. That might save the UK going off on it's many foreign excursions with the USA (obviously this also saves hanging around afterwards when it's all gone a bit tits up, granted that's usually not prolonged), be cheaper, and give a sort of "all-for-one" security.

 

Obv Tories and UKIP would loathe it (that's what NATO is for, they scream) so that's another plus point, not to mention sizeable savings on nuclear weapons.

 

Oh that's right, most of the countries of europe don't have nuclear weapons and depend on the UK charitably saving everyone (except France) in the event of a Russian attack, or an Iranian attack (if they get it), or a Chinese attack, or an Israeli attack. Good ol' UK taking on the expense for the good of the western world. Don't know how Africa and South America have managed to avoid getting nuked for 60-odd years or so, really, what with not having nuclear weapons... :P

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's not even an "independent deterrent". Leaving aside the issue of whether it is a deterrent, we can only fire a nuclear weapon with the agreement of (or on the orders of) the USA.

It's not even an "independent deterrent". Leaving aside the issue of whether it is a deterrent, we can only fire a nuclear weapon with the agreement of (or on the orders of) the USA.

That isn't actually true. Although it would be fairly remarkable for us to fire a nuclear missile without our closest ally agreeing with us, in any case.

Mutually Assured Destruction is the main purpose. It's unthinkable there could be any scenario the UK would use one independently, short of one landing on London, and any nation sending said missile would also know they would be committing suicide in every sense of the word, not just from the UK. So we are talking desperate death-wish nutcases with a finger on the button and a grudge they think is worth annihilating their own country for.

 

A European collaboration would work just as well, if not better, and spread out the "targets". Won't play well in the Dad's Army home counties, I guess, though the million or more non-UK-born people living in London may have a different view...

back to the topic, a turnip for the books, or wishful thinking by the BBC as opposed to "senior Labour" sources..?

 

(that'll be the "never ever going to happen" Libdem coalition)

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-32584903

Got back to my parents house just now as a bunch of tory w*n**rs were canvassing. two of them nearly got run over by my car. The third was stranding by the door. As I got out the car he was like "welcome home" I said 5 words. "I'm an SNP member, go". And off he f***ed. It was GLORIOUS

 

You weren't involved in those scermishes in Glasgow were you? :lol:

Nah that's 70miles away and Murphy didn't have anything thrown at him.

Got back to my parents house just now as a bunch of tory w*n**rs were canvassing. two of them nearly got run over by my car. The third was stranding by the door. As I got out the car he was like "welcome home" I said 5 words. "I'm an SNP member, go". And off he f***ed. It was GLORIOUS

Toxic.

No, what you are supposed to do is to pretend there is a chance you might vote Tory and engage him in conversation for a while, thereby reducing the number of homes he can visit.

 

 

Better still, invite them in for a cuppa and then tell rthem to F*** off!

SCOTTISH POLL BY REFERENDUM VOTE

 

"Yes" Voters

 

SNP 89%

Labour 6%

Greens 2%

Conservatives 1%

Lib Dems 1%

UKIP 0%

 

 

 

"No" Voters

 

Labour 45%

Conservatives 27%

SNP 13%

Lib Dems 12%

UKIP 3%

Greens 1%

 

http://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumul...ers_Website.pdf

 

(Just to be petty, I'll throw in Jim Murphy's personal rating is now -35, lower than both Miliband and Cameron)

Edited May 5, 201510 yr by Danny

You see this great New Statesman Article Danny - rise of the SNP in Scotland

 

 

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2015/...ill-happen-next

 

 

You see this great New Statesman Article Danny - rise of the SNP in Scotland

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2015/...ill-happen-next

 

Thanks, interesting article. Sturgeon really is the most astute politician in the whole of the UK.

 

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I hope Labour aren't stupid enough to try and get into government if they have WAY less seats than the Tories. Actually, a Tory minority government which relies on Labour authorisation on each and every policy, with Labour getting veto rights over everything, feels like it would be the best thing for the country, maybe moreso than a cowardly Labour government surrendering to the right-wing press everyday.

there's also a good article in i today about the hypocrisy of the Tories demonising the SNP for scaremongering purposes, when it's actually democracy in action - the people of Scotland are part of the UK and have as much right to have a say in how it's governed as any other part, that was the whole point of the referendum. At the very least some palatable or unpalatable policies likely won't get through if they don't get SNP support and it should force whoever's in power to provide a very strong case for anything it wishes to push....

Thanks, interesting article. Sturgeon really is the most astute politician in the whole of the UK.

 

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I hope Labour aren't stupid enough to try and get into government if they have WAY less seats than the Tories. Actually, a Tory minority government which relies on Labour authorisation on each and every policy, with Labour getting veto rights over everything, feels like it would be the best thing for the country, maybe moreso than a cowardly Labour government surrendering to the right-wing press everyday.

I feel like I've said this a hundred times, but if Ed had 'surrendered' to the right wing press on 'everything', there's no way he'd be getting a treatment from the media worse than Kinnock. Not least as his whole thing is showing that left-wing ideas can win. Just because you see his position on spending as a surrender doesn't mean *everything* is a surrender, not least as governments have far more power than just the ability to spend.

 

As it goes, he'll probably have no choice but to table bills the SNP would have no excuse to vote down.

I feel like I've said this a hundred times, but if Ed had 'surrendered' to the right wing press on 'everything', there's no way he'd be getting a treatment from the media worse than Kinnock. Not least as his whole thing is showing that left-wing ideas can win. Just because you see his position on spending as a surrender doesn't mean *everything* is a surrender, not least as governments have far more power than just the ability to spend.

 

As it goes, he'll probably have no choice but to table bills the SNP would have no excuse to vote down.

 

And on immigration. And on welfare. And on businesses. And on Scotland. The only big issue where you can even make an argument he hasn't surrendered is on an EU referendum.

 

Ed might be deluding himself into thinking he's pushing left-wing ideas to make him feel like his defeat was atleast on "his terms", but that does not automatically make it so, not least because he's been so effortlessly out-leftied by Nicola Sturgeon who (rightly) doesn't even think of herself as a socialist.

Edited May 6, 201510 yr by Danny

Id much rather labour be IN government tbh.

 

Anyone see Tim Mountgomerie's twiter last night? He was posting pictures and papers from the 1987 campaign - one showed a picture of 12 labour politicans including Jeremy Corbyn, Ken Livingstone, David Nellist, Denis Skinner, Diane Abbot and Tony Benn and sayin has labour really got rid of its Militants?

 

Ridiculous really. It even showed a very young Keith Vaz, i couldnt think of anyone more part o the establishment now lol!

And on immigration. And on welfare. And on businesses. And on Scotland. The only big issue where you can even make an argument he hasn't surrendered is on an EU referendum.

 

 

But Danny your just looking at set piece left wing policies from the last 50 yrs and saying this is what Milliband should think. Not all leftwingers are the same. Milliband is very much surrounded by the 'Blue Labour' faction led by people like Lord Glassman, Jon Crudas and others. Thats where imo his views on welfare and immigration have come from.

Edited May 6, 201510 yr by steve201

But Danny your just looking at set piece left wing policies from the last 50 yrs and saying this is what Milliband should think. Not all leftwingers are the same. Milliband is very much surrounded by the 'Blue Labour' faction led by people like Lord Glassman, Jon Crudas and others. Thats where imo his views on welfare and immigration have come from.

 

You're right, but are many people really arguing for a return 1970s socialism with wholesale nationalisations and statutory "income policies"? All most people on "the Left" want is a return to moderate social democracy: the case made for government spending rather than austerity, total commitment to protecting poor people's welfare, a moral argument made against obscenely high levels of pay and greed.

Edited May 6, 201510 yr by Danny