I've tried staying up to watch it in the past, but the pols long-winded acceptance speeches/drivel about 'its too early to tell' etc, just drives me nuts! :puke:

that's like saying I hope the Labour party break up cos Miliband pisses one off, or the Tory Party cos cameron pisses one off. One man does not represent (except temporarily) a whole political movement. Plus, the more SDP inclined left labour when they became tunnel-visioned left-wing and unelectable. Considering he gets stick for trying to fix Labour party policies and Tory party policies that both had b*llicksed up I find the student-hatred a bit stroppy, knee-jerk and illogical.

 

As I've said a million times, Clegg did not run the country, it was a coalition, just as I expect the next government will be because the 2 main parties still have no answers and still accept no blame for the country's situation. The Libdems are not responsible for any of it occurring in the first place, only in having to deal with it. Fact.

Precisely. Just look at the flak Clegg has received over the last five years. Most of it has come from the Tory press. Why? Because he has consistently blocked the Tories form implementing some of their more extreme policies. Yes, on economic issues, he is on the centre-right. However, on other issues, he is definitely not a Tory.

I've tried staying up to watch it in the past, but the pols long-winded acceptance speeches/drivel about 'its too early to tell' etc, just drives me nuts! :puke:

It tends to get better as the night goes on. Politicians are more tired and, sometimes at least, less guarded as a result. The line "It's too early to tell" also becomes less valid, although that will be a little different this time.

that's like saying I hope the Labour party break up cos Miliband pisses one off, or the Tory Party cos cameron pisses one off. One man does not represent (except temporarily) a whole political movement. Plus, the more SDP inclined left labour when they became tunnel-visioned left-wing and unelectable. Considering he gets stick for trying to fix Labour party policies and Tory party policies that both had b*llicksed up I find the student-hatred a bit stroppy, knee-jerk and illogical.

 

As I've said a million times, Clegg did not run the country, it was a coalition, just as I expect the next government will be because the 2 main parties still have no answers and still accept no blame for the country's situation. The Libdems are not responsible for any of it occurring in the first place, only in having to deal with it. Fact.

 

Indeed but I as talking about Clegg, Alexander & Laws here they are Tories in the Lib Dem party and they have a philosophy which they follow and is like a cancer in the party - the Orange Book philosophy which for the last decade has tried to promote small state and social liberal policies which is quite different from the SDP faction which Kennedy Farron and the like follow.

 

If Clegg decides which I think he will to go into another government with Cameron tomorrow and he doesn't say the referendum on Europe is one of his 'red lines' then it could lead to some kind of split in this very pro European party and rightly so.

 

I used the example of the 1920s as it's very relevant when Lloyd George stayed in coalition with the Tories which his party were uncomfortable with post war and it helped make the liberals irrelevant until the 1960s.

that's like saying I hope the Labour party break up cos Miliband pisses one off, or the Tory Party cos cameron pisses one off. One man does not represent (except temporarily) a whole political movement. Plus, the more SDP inclined left labour when they became tunnel-visioned left-wing and unelectable. Considering he gets stick for trying to fix Labour party policies and Tory party policies that both had b*llicksed up I find the student-hatred a bit stroppy, knee-jerk and illogical.

 

As I've said a million times, Clegg did not run the country, it was a coalition, just as I expect the next government will be because the 2 main parties still have no answers and still accept no blame for the country's situation. The Libdems are not responsible for any of it occurring in the first place, only in having to deal with it. Fact.

 

But the point is that knocking Clegg out (and Danny Alexander and David Laws; I might even vote Tory if I was in the latter's seat) would pull the Lib Dems back to the left and away from austerity-mania, which ultimately would be good for the country. This isn't an exclusive point against the Lib Dems either because I'd consider voting against some of the more vile "Blairite" Labour MPs too; it's good to get rid of the malign influences from any party.

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Indeed but I as talking about Clegg, Alexander & Laws here they are Tories in the Lib Dem party and they have a philosophy which they follow and is like a cancer in the party - the Orange Book philosophy which for the last decade has tried to promote small state and social liberal policies which is quite different from the SDP faction which Kennedy Farron and the like follow.

 

If Clegg decides which I think he will to go into another government with Cameron tomorrow and he doesn't say the referendum on Europe is one of his 'red lines' then it could lead to some kind of split in this very pro European party and rightly so.

 

I used the example of the 1920s as it's very relevant when Lloyd George stayed in coalition with the Tories which his party were uncomfortable with post war and it helped make the liberals irrelevant until the 1960s.

Any coalition deal has to be endorsed by a two-thirds vote of a specially convened conference. Even if an EU referendum is not one of Clegg's red lines, it could still be a red line for many voters at that conference.

Let's hope that's the case as I thought he was going to get round it by claiming because Cameron was pro Europe he would join him!

But the point is that knocking Clegg out (and Danny Alexander and David Laws; I might even vote Tory if I was in the latter's seat) would pull the Lib Dems back to the left and away from austerity-mania, which ultimately would be good for the country. This isn't an exclusive point against the Lib Dems either because I'd consider voting against some of the more vile "Blairite" Labour MPs too; it's good to get rid of the malign influences from any party.

As I recall the last election Clegg had a choice between austerity or austerity. The Labour party was identical to the Tory party. Whichever party Clegg went with the result was virtually the same. That's conveniently ignoring facts to support bias I'm afraid. Sorry...

 

I have a new job which means I don't work Thurs and Fri... so this is obviously perfection. Fingers crossed UKIP f*** off.

I have to get up at about 6.30 for work tomorrow so there's no way I'm staying up even to watch the early results. Just hoping that I wake up tomorrow to the news that UKIP has disappeared up Farage's badge and hopefully the Tories don't have a majority.

 

 

What teem does the first result announce? I will see that one as it will basically tell us the overall trend of the election then switch off as, well, I have a life and the results will be the same whether I observe them or not -- except on a quantum level, o course.

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What teem does the first result announce? I will see that one as it will basically tell us the overall trend of the election then switch off as, well, I have a life and the results will be the same whether I observe them or not -- except on a quantum level, o course.

 

First result from Sunderland usually comes in about 10.45-11pm.

 

It won't necessarily tell you the overall trend though (last time, the swings in the Sunderland seats seemed to be pointing to a Tory majority, but then it turned out Labour was holding up better in the closer seats when those results started coming in).

Exit polls looking awful - might get the drink out and I'm a tee totaller!!

Exit polls looking awful - might get the drink out and I'm a tee totaller!!

 

I may start smoking. I've finished my bottle of wine so I'm going to look for the cooking sherry now!

 

To be honest - it makes no difference to me who gets in. My house is paid for so all my salary (which is fairly good) only goes on energy bills, the car and food - I just feel sorry for those poor bast*rds who are on £6.50 an hour (and will be for the next five years at least) with rent to pay and kids to bring up. Still - at least IDS has the opportunity to 'SAVE' a further 2 million people from the dole in the next five years (he'll kill most of them on the way mind but hey-ho!)

I'm not watching all of this, I do have the day off sixth form but don't think I have the power to push through it all :lol:

 

I kinda want to watch it all for when the Kingswood results come in but I can look them up :P If i'm awake at like 3am or something I might peek in and see how things are going...

As Nick Robinson has pointed out, if the exit poll is roughly right, the government will be at the mercy of dozens of right-wing nut-jobs (my words, not his).

Dup, UKIP etc.

 

Balls could lose out but nothing confirmed. Seems the Labour Party is being squeezed by both Scottish and English nationalists so DC can just stumble into No10 again

If the Tories govern alone, we look like having a government with no seats in Scotland, Manchester, Liverpool, Leeds, Newcastle or Birmingham. It's hard to be seen as a government for the whole country from that starting position.

Cameron cannot claim a legitimate government with 0 seats in Scotland.

Cameron cannot claim a legitimate government with 0 seats in Scotland.

Well, he will. Of course it will pose a legitimacy problem, but when other parties take just 3/59 seats, that's not unique to the Conservatives.