Oh for crying out loud, let's not pretend that when it comes down to it DIVISION is the issue people are going to have with a Jeremy Corbyn-led Labour Party.

Perhaps, then, people need to be reminded about what Tory MPs and ministers were saying about each other just a few month ago in the referendum campaign. Or maybe they need to read stories like this...

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/o...on-brexit-terms

 

The Tories are at least as divided as Labour, probably more so. It's just that their friends in the press don't bother to report it.

 

Absolutely!! Bbc tory puppets etc hate Labour.

 

Absolutely!! Bbc tory puppets etc hate Labour.

 

I very much doubt the BBC "hate" Labour.

I wouldn't say the honeymoon period is over for May yet?

It depends what you define as a honeymoon period. I think she's moving past the point where people are giving her the benefit of the doubt for being new to a point where she's legitimately popular for the things she's saying and proposing.

That's true, I guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens to the figures when petrol goes up 20p and inflation is back running at 5% as the pound capitulates.

Edited October 11, 20168 yr by Doctor Blind

That's true, I guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens to the figures when petrol goes up 20p and inflation is back running at 5% as the pound capitulates.

 

too true. Soon as everyone's wallet starts getting hammered there will suddenly be a lot of folk who will deny ever having voted Brexit, or try to blame the EU, or foreigners, or doom-merchant Remoaners, as opposed to them being responsible for their own (and our) misery.

That's true, I guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens to the figures when petrol goes up 20p and inflation is back running at 5% as the pound capitulates.

I wonder if she'll be the one who gets the blame for that though. I actually do think it's going to be fascinating seeing the various stages of acceptance and who gets the blame when the various consequences of the leave vote start to bleed through.

 

My current money is on a mix of "this was always going to happen, so we may as well weather it out", blaming the international community for trying to bully us out of Brexit, some variation on the utterly bizarre "this economic crash is Remain's fault for talking down Britain", and assorted bitching about things like fuel duty (which no doubt Mother Theresa will chop substantially).

I'm sure they'll try and blame it on the EU. They've already started with Davis trying to complain that the EU are somehow "punishing" us. Of course, all they are doing is suggesting that we will be treated like any other non-member state. If Davis wanted the UK to be treated like a member state, he shouldn't have campaigned for us to leave. Unfortunately, the anti-EU press have been supporting the Davis line and will probably convince a lot of their readers that we are being punished. I look forward to those readers trying to cancel their gym membership while insisting that they should still be able to use the facilities there.

Davis is an utter abomination and a complete waste of f***ing oxygen.

 

 

 

The SNP are presiding over the ONLY part of the UK not to see Hate Crime soar after the referendum and are the only government actively reaching out to EU citizens.

Lmao I can count 5 reasons for which that reaction is insane.

well we now have the government people have voted for. let's see how well they all do out of it in 5 to 10 years and look for an even-more right-wing government to help them. That always works out well, just as nationalistic chest-beating always means poor people benefit and the country in question is viewed as fair, tolerant and successful in it's dealings with others.

 

I must say, when I commented on here that the Tories would show their true colours now they had effectively demolished the Libdems who had been holding them back, that we had seen nothing yet, I had no idea just how right I would be proved so quickly. Record-time! Silver Linings, I can at least say I Told You So to nobody that cares as we all go down the toilet together and the rich get even more filthy rich at our expense as they flush.

 

 

This isn't the Tories showing their "true colours" at all, this is something we haven't seen in generations. At least, presuming you take the view that the Tories "true colours" involve putting business first and to hell with the rest.

Sorry i lived through thatcher. She sowed the seeds that gave birth to the current economic disaster and right wing acolytes. I take your point though that this lot arent just selfish rich gits they are actual lunatics intent on writing the uk in their own image based on one close referendum.

 

All the stupid people thinking things coulfnt get any worse will see soon enough. Tragically.

This is a fab summary of uk politics today...

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2...=share_btn_link

 

 

time to resurrect this, now that May is in full PR propaganda mode:

 

In her new year message, Mrs May said: "I know that the referendum last June was divisive at times.

"I know, of course, that not everyone shared the same point of view, or voted in the same way.

"But I know too that, as we face the opportunities ahead of us, our shared interests and ambitions can bring us together...

"So when I sit around the negotiating table in Europe this year, it will be with that in mind - the knowledge that I am there to get the right deal - not just for those who voted to leave - but for every single person in this country.

"Of course, the referendum laid bare some further divisions in our country...

"This is the year we need to pull down these barriers that hold people back, securing a better deal at home for ordinary, working people."

Mrs May said the divisions revealed by the Brexit campaign needed to be addressed in 2017.

"As the fantastic MP Jo Cox, who was so tragically taken from us last year, put it: 'We are far more united and have far more in common than that which divides us'," she said.

 

1. By the time Brexit comes into effect, the British population will have changed, 3 new years of voters and 3 years of old people dying. The outcome would be very different and there is a case for another referendum to accept the terms agreed.

 

2. What barriers, exactly, are holding people back? Be specific, because otherwise it's just bullshit PR. How exactly are these mysterious barriers being pulled down going to help poorer, working-class people? I can think of half a dozen ways of helping them off the top of my head that the British Government could do right now, no need to wait 3 years for Brexit for these lovely magical, fantasy benefits to pop up out of thin air.

 

3. Jo Cox was referring to all people OF THE WORLD being united and working together, INCLUDING THE EU, so highjacking her words for your own nasty little PR pisstake is repulsive and inexcusable. She was murdered by someone who was prepared to kill to silence her words of hope and love for ALL. Using her as a way of saying those who don't support Brexit (the majority of the country) should all work together to help you get whatever (unspecified) Brexit Means Brexit is not how it works. We, the people, are entitled to express our opinion on what mistakes you, as unelected leader of a split party, are diving headfirst into, because it's us, as citizens, who will pay the price for any failures, not rich people like you.

 

You have no scruples, clearly.

A poll in today's Observer shows just how bad things have got for Labour. It shows that the Tories have a clear lead over Labour as the best party to handle the NHS. This is despite the fact that satisfaction with the NHS was at record levels after 13 years of Labour government whereas, after nearly seven years of Tory-led government, stories about NHS crises are regularly in the news once again.

Labour are finished, tragically. Until Corbyn tumbleweeds off into the wilderness and they get a credible leader with wide-ranging appeal and personal dynamism (and decent non-Tory policies) the Tory party will be free to mess up the country as much as they want to and undo all the good that has been done over 75 years.

The only sliver lining to this debacle is that the longer it goes on the higher the likelihood of independence for Scotland.

Filibustering in progress from Philip Davies, a man who talks to kill bills that he personally doesn't like but which would otherwise pass.

 

Democracy in action from Tories..

 

https://twitter.com/CarolineLucas/status/822444158715564037