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I chose 1972 just because it was the last year of freedom from the EU (or EEC as it was then). ;)

 

So why did *you* choose 1957?

 

Also, homosexuality was legalised in the UK in 1967, so gays wouldn't have been arrested for it in 1972.

They were if their partner was under 21. or if they showed affection in public. Or had sex in a hotel room.

 

We are, of course, still waiting for examples of how we have not been an independent nation for the last 45 years.

As for the question about how to make opinion polls more accurate, go back to the days when a representative sample of voters was questioned meaning that there was little or no need for the figures to be adjusted. Of course, that would cost the people commissioning polls a lot more, so it won't happen.
I chose 1972 just because it was the last year of freedom from the EU (or EEC as it was then). ;)

 

So why did *you* choose 1957?

 

Also, homosexuality was legalised in the UK in 1967, so gays wouldn't have been arrested for it in 1972.

 

I chose 1957 because you can claim life was better then even though you weren't born and have no idea. I was born in 1958 and have very clear memories of the 60's and 70's. Apparently more so than you do.

 

wot Suedey said.

Ah, but if I had a time machine, what's to stop me from bumping off the person who invented PC. ;)

 

PC is just a convenient term of abuse for people being nice and tolerant and it existed since people existed and decided not to bash their neighbour over the head with a club.

 

Jesus Christ. he was very PC. What a complete tosspot do-gooder, eh?

As for the question about how to make opinion polls more accurate, go back to the days when a representative sample of voters was questioned meaning that there was little or no need for the figures to be adjusted. Of course, that would cost the people commissioning polls a lot more, so it won't happen.

 

I thought that was how they did it now?

I thought that was how they did it now?

It hasn’t been done that way for a long time. That’s one of the reasons for the differences between pollsters; they each have different methods of adjusting the raw figures.

And they also like to fudge the data to support a candidate oe paryy. That is why Michigan had Hills 20% out over Berni3 and then again over Trump. Oops.
It hasn’t been done that way for a long time. That’s one of the reasons for the differences between pollsters; they each have different methods of adjusting the raw figures.

 

I think that started in 1992, when Labour unexpectedly lost after being predicted to win.

 

I think that was when the idea of 'shy Tories' first appeared.

I think that started in 1992, when Labour unexpectedly lost after being predicted to win.

 

I think that was when the idea of 'shy Tories' first appeared.

I think one company had identified that before 1992. They started to find their representative sample contained too few people saying they voters Tory in the previous election.

I think one company had identified that before 1992. They started to find their representative sample contained too few people saying they voters Tory in the previous election.

 

ISTM there was a shy right-wing Trumpite factor at the last US presidential election, too. :P

 

I think this Simpsons clip is relevant here - see 30 seconds in :

 

 

The Simpsons also predicted President Trump, too. :P

 

ISTM there was a shy right-wing Trumpite factor at the last US presidential election, too. :P

 

I think this Simpsons clip is relevant here - see 30 seconds in :

 

 

The Simpsons also predicted President Trump, too. :P

I don't think the polls got the overall vote share far wrong in the US election. What they didn't predict was how that vote would be distributed. I wonder if the next election will see polls concentrated more on the swing states.

I don't think the polls got the overall vote share far wrong in the US election. What they didn't predict was how that vote would be distributed. I wonder if the next election will see polls concentrated more on the swing states.

 

Perhaps a more interesting question is - will Trump be free to seek a 2nd term?

Jesus wasn't politically correct in his day. That's kind of the reason why he was crucified.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_correctness

 

Interesting history on the phrase it seems, most of which I didn't know I have to admit being as we have specific modern meanings on it..

 

I'd always though Jesus was crucified for his beliefs which rocked the establishment power, and which they were scared of, so he was framed, but that he preached peace, love and tolerance towards others while not in any way supporting the rights of those who were against that and abused their power for selfish motives. I stand to be corrected, not being especially religious myself, but that's another thread I expect...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_correctness

 

Interesting history on the phrase it seems, most of which I didn't know I have to admit being as we have specific modern meanings on it..

 

I'd always though Jesus was crucified for his beliefs which rocked the establishment power, and which they were scared of, so he was framed, but that he preached peace, love and tolerance towards others while not in any way supporting the rights of those who were against that and abused their power for selfish motives. I stand to be corrected, not being especially religious myself, but that's another thread I expect...

 

I must admit I took a slightly different meaning to "political correctness" in my original post, ie did not conform to the political orthodoxies expected of Him. When the Jewish people envisioned the Messiah as set out in the Old Testament, they believed that he would be a military leader who would lead the Jewish people to glory. Obviously Jesus was very much not in keeping with who they thought the Messiah would be, hence why he was deemed to be a threat, especially when he was amassing a substantial following in Judea whilst claiming to be the Son of God.

 

It's also worth pointing out that whilst Jesus did preach peace, he wasn't beyond the use of force when He saw it as necessary, as was seen in the story of the moneylenders in the Temple, where he literally whipped them out of the building. There's some brilliant Medieval artwork depicting this, which is very much worth seeing if you ever get the chance.

I must admit I took a slightly different meaning to "political correctness" in my original post, ie did not conform to the political orthodoxies expected of Him. When the Jewish people envisioned the Messiah as set out in the Old Testament, they believed that he would be a military leader who would lead the Jewish people to glory. Obviously Jesus was very much not in keeping with who they thought the Messiah would be, hence why he was deemed to be a threat, especially when he was amassing a substantial following in Judea whilst claiming to be the Son of God.

 

It's also worth pointing out that whilst Jesus did preach peace, he wasn't beyond the use of force when He saw it as necessary, as was seen in the story of the moneylenders in the Temple, where he literally whipped them out of the building. There's some brilliant Medieval artwork depicting this, which is very much worth seeing if you ever get the chance.

 

I always preferred the Old Testament version of God myself - striking down the wicked with lightning bolts, etc. ;)

 

 

I always preferred the Old Testament version of God myself - striking down the wicked with lightning bolts, etc. ;)

 

Well at least I could look forward to Nigel Farage and Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin among many getting fried. And those who do or pay cash-in-hand and avoid tax, unless you have some marvellous complete definition of wicked that has come on a hot-line to God....

1 in 10 of the people um actually affevted by this are against rhe idea and only the anti Europe oldies want it. The end.
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