Boris is a busted flush, but I can't see them getting rid of him just yet.

 

PMs always go on longer than you think. Theresa was dead in the water after that election in June 2017 but didn't get toppled until 2 years later. He's still useful to them for now, mainly to deflect all the gallons of shit that our privatised water companies are LITERALLY pumping into our rivers and seas, but his card is marked and I don't think he'll be the one leading the party at the next GE.

 

 

I think he will lead them in to the next election as they know he's the only person to win them a majority. He's still incredibly popular with the electorate, despite all his bumblings and mistakes. All that matters to them is to win.

The 1922 Committee automatically includes all backbench MPs. 55 MPs would need to write to the chair to trigger a vote of no confidence in him though which seems too many right now. Without an obvious candidate to replace him, he'd probably win the confidence vote

 

The overrated Rishi Sunak would be an obvious choice although slightly losing popularity or as much as it would make me even feel more that we're f*cked, Liz Truss is very popular in the Tory party and press.

The overrated Rishi Sunak would be an obvious choice although slightly losing popularity or as much as it would make me even feel more that we're f*cked, Liz Truss is very popular in the Tory party and press.

 

Rishi is an obvious choice, but I'm not convinced he would get through the Tory membership vote. He is also really closely associated with the current Government, so he could suffer the same fate as May. I do think they would go for someone slightly more Centrist this time around who is a Brexiteer. Boris is absolute box office though with the electorate - yes, they might get someone more competent, but I don't think there is anyone would be more popular with the electorate.

Sunak's a potential danger but I do think there's a real possibility of the Tories thinking he's a good idea and it all blowing up in their face when the Tory base realise he's associated with the biggest big state increase for any Tory government.

 

People vote Tory to try and keep their taxes low. I think that's a more succinct definition of Tory voter priorities than any other moralising stuff.

 

Don't think Johnson will go quite yet though, I feel this briefing is a bit of a power play from certain people to him to get him to fall in line and sharpen up. Wouldn't be the first Prime Minister to be limping on for the last 18-24 months of a premiership (c.f. May, Brown).

Sunak's a potential danger but I do think there's a real possibility of the Tories thinking he's a good idea and it all blowing up in their face when the Tory base realise he's associated with the biggest big state increase for any Tory government.

 

People vote Tory to try and keep their taxes low. I think that's a more succinct definition of Tory voter priorities than any other moralising stuff.

 

Don't think Johnson will go quite yet though, I feel this briefing is a bit of a power play from certain people to him to get him to fall in line and sharpen up. Wouldn't be the first Prime Minister to be limping on for the last 18-24 months of a premiership (c.f. May, Brown).

 

Imo Sunak is too closely associated to Johnson. I have no doubt he will try and align himself as different, but do we think in 2023 people will still vote for him because he handed out free money to a large working portion of the public? I suspect his approval ratings right now are not as high as they were in 2020. It is certainly a power play from the backbenchers, I think a lot of them realise their seats will be in danger in 2024. Boris Johnson has had a terrible 6-8 weeks, but I don't think Truss or Sunak are there yet. Plus there's always the possibility of someone like Jeremy Hunt, who would almost certainly run for leadership and is fairly popular with the Tory memberbase.

 

https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydia...d-kwarteng.html

 

There are regular polls of favourite cabinet minister from Tory members and Truss is way ahead as she's populist, nationalist and throws minorities under the bus despite being equalities ministers. She is more competent and hard working than Johnson is - which isn't hard.

 

Also very high up in popularity is Lord Frost who seems determined to end our pathetic deal with Europe completely and not care about the NI peace process fallout.

 

Hunt, although let's not forget did great damage to the NHS during his long stint as Health Secretary, is more centrist and sensible. Wouldn't stand a chance in today's ultra right wing, English Nationalist Tory party.

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https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydia...d-kwarteng.html

 

There are regular polls of favourite cabinet minister from Tory members and Truss is way ahead as she's populist, nationalist and throws minorities under the bus despite being equalities ministers. She is more competent and hard working than Johnson is - which isn't hard.

 

Also very high up in popularity is Lord Frost who seems determined to end our pathetic deal with Europe completely and not care about the NI peace process fallout.

 

Hunt, although let's not forget did great damage to the NHS during his long stint as Health Secretary, is more centrist and sensible. Wouldn't stand a chance in today's ultra right wing, English Nationalist Tory party.

 

The thing is though, the Tory memberbase also aren't all stupid. There are some MPs there with high approval ratings who wouldn't stand a chance winning over the electorate. The memberbase above all else, want the Tories to be in power. Someone like Hunt is not attached to the current Government in any way whatsoever. But I do think Truss is going to be a very popular choice when that time comes around.

 

On a seperate note, I find the love-in of Lord Frost mind boggling. I thought the whole reason people hated the EU was because we have unelected officials interfering with our country :lol:

Huint, not being in the Cabinet, is not included in the Conservative Home polls. Therefore, we have no idea what his approval ratings are. If the Tories want somebody who is a complete contrast (i.e. boring and competent), Hunt stands a very good chance.

True, Hunt is not in the Conservative Home poll but the ones at the high end don't exactly inspire confidence plus their analysis implies those who are lefty are roundly punished compared to Brexity populists (see how high Dorries is in that poll). a lot of the Tory party are annoyed about Johnson because of being perceived lefty (ie net Zero, high spending etc). Think a lot would depend upon whether Starmer increases his popularity in any meaningful way whether they would want someone sensible but the party has been overtaken by UKIPers since even the last leadership election.

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Nadine Dorries has always been clueless but not knowing how Channel 4 is funding is a joke.

I was a bit :D to see Alok Sharma in dead last on that list until I realised that's almost certainly being driven by climate change deniers. Lol.

Nadine Dorries has always been clueless but not knowing how Channel 4 is funding is a joke.

 

Lmao is Dorries still knocking about?

Nadine Dorries has always been clueless but not knowing how Channel 4 is funding is a joke.

I was going to post about the same thing. It is way beyond embarrassing that we have ministers who know so little about their own departmental responsibilities. At the risk of sounding repetitive, it's not hard to imagine the headlines that would greet a statement of such staggering ignorance from a Labour minister. She even brushed aside the correction, ignoring the fact that her whole argument was based on a totally false premise. Her body language gave off the very clear signal "Why am I having to bother to sit here asking questions?".

At PMWs, Johnson claimed labour opposed the vaccine roll-out. A lie.

 

Raab defended Johnson's CBI speech babbling on about Peppa Pig. Raab went on to claim to have enjoyed the programme when he was a child. The programme started in 2004. Raab was 30 at the time.

One thing right Raab has done is support Stella Creasy when she was asked not to have her baby in the HOC during questions.

According to Tory MP Nick Fletcher, Doctor Who actor Jodie Whittaker is to blame for the rise in crime committed by young men.

One thing right Raab has done is support Stella Creasy when she was asked not to have her baby in the HOC during questions.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day

At PMWs, Johnson claimed labour opposed the vaccine roll-out. A lie.

 

Raab defended Johnson's CBI speech babbling on about Peppa Pig. Raab went on to claim to have enjoyed the programme when he was a child. The programme started in 2004. Raab was 30 at the time.

 

This lot don't grow up tbf

Some more bad news for the Tories - Labour seem to have found the below out on some of the dodgy contracts awarded in 2020..

 

Jolyon Maugham of the Good Law Project exposing that Matt Hancock's pub landlord mate was indirectly handed a £40m contract. Hancock had previously denied this as the contract was actually awarded to a third company, however the contract stipulated it had to be sub-contracted to the pub landlord's company. That stipulation was redacted when the government published the contract but somebody leaked it to the Good Law Project.

https://twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/status/1465974992894631938

 

And there's the whole Downing Street Christmas Party. Luckily for Johnson it looks like he wasn't there, but he or someone close to him must have authorised it..

 

I can't see how there would be a party at Number Ten for a few dozen people without the PM knowing about it. As such gatherings were banned at the time, he has broken the rules. Again.