It would be hilarious if Mind Of Mine sold less than Girl At The End Of The World but I think that's too much of a stretch.

 

As long as it doesn't do better than 25,000 copies I'm happy. If it does less 20,000 I'll be very pleased.

Maybe this is just me but I don't think talent is an opinion really. I don't like Maroon 5 as I've expressed before but I wouldn't say Adam Levine is untalented. Writing material shouldn't make you deserve more success anyway I think. But this debate could go on and on and that's just my viewpoint, I feel you've been a tad harsh on them just cause they aren't to your taste.

 

For the record, I'm not even that big on Zayn's album, I find it a bit boring actually!

 

In order for me to like something, I have to see some kind of talent in an artist or group. I've never liked 1D from the beginning for lots of reasons but more so because of their success which is totally undeserved in my opinion. It just doesn't match up to their level of talent at all. Their songs are bland at best and their voices are very average. They are in the Media a lot of the time which I find irritating and this just adds to their hype. As I said in my last post, there are far better acts and groups who don't get anywhere near their success or media coverage and who work much harder in my opinion and are far more deserving of that success. It might sound harsh but that's how I view them.

I think 1D are very good. After I saw them in concert I immediately said that they're the best boyband ever. Great songs, brilliant performers. I don't care if they write all their songs themselves or not (they have written some)

guess 1D might CO-written some, not the same... but yes, for me, we're talking about a pop band directed at the teenage market and chosen in the first place cos of their looks, no one expects them to be Bon Iver, not sure why Lawson deserve more cos they write their own song, they're also there cos Capitol pushes their song via payola from the label, so deserved really??? :)

guess 1D might CO-written some, not the same... but yes, for me, we're talking about a pop band directed at the teenage market and chosen in the first place cos of their looks, no one expects them to be Bon Iver, not sure why Lawson deserve more cos they write their own song, they're also there cos Capitol pushes their song via payola from the label, so deserved really??? :)

 

I'm not sure where you've got the bolded bit from, considering they were in a singing contest... :P

 

Zayn/1D wouldn't have gotten this far without talent is what I'm trying to say, and to say that someone is untalented just because their music isn't to your taste is a different matter as far as I'm concerned. Writing songs means sod all to me but it's each to their own of course.

I've still no idea how Louis even got past his audition, it was genuinely horrendous. No qualms with the other 4 though, Liam's audition of Cry Me A River was one the all time best IMO!

Oh yes, Louis' singing ability has always been questionable actually :kink:

Well Madonna is not the greatest singer on earth either so.. :P

 

Being a pop star is more than the voice

I'm not sure where you've got the bolded bit from, considering they were in a singing contest... :P

 

Zayn/1D wouldn't have gotten this far without talent is what I'm trying to say, and to say that someone is untalented just because their music isn't to your taste is a different matter as far as I'm concerned. Writing songs means sod all to me but it's each to their own of course.

 

1D's success isn't about talent. It's more related to hype, media attention and promotion from the X factor. If they didn't have all the exposure, they wouldn't be half as successful. Other acts have had to work a lot harder to achieve much less success. They are very manufactured too. To write and produce your own songs is a genuine talent which these days is underrated and not seen in many artists because the current market is saturated with mostly manufactured material or rip offs from other artists. There are other acts/groups which aren't my cup of tea but I can appreciate their talent such as Ed Sheeran but I don't see anything about 1D which shows much talent. Sorry but we'll have to disagree!

1D's success isn't about talent. It's more related to hype, media attention and promotion from the X factor. If they didn't have all the exposure, they wouldn't be half as successful. Other acts have had to work a lot harder to achieve much less success. They are very manufactured too. To write and produce your own songs is a genuine talent which these days is underrated and not seen in many artists because the current market is saturated with mostly manufactured material or rip offs from other artists. There are other acts/groups which aren't my cup of tea but I can appreciate their talent such as Ed Sheeran but I don't see anything about 1D which shows much talent. Sorry but we'll have to disagree!

 

But talent does come into it though surely :P There is hype and promotion etc but I hate how that's seen as a bad thing. Many artists would kill for that level of promotion I'm sure. Their music sells regardless, all three singles this era have been long-lasting hits so it goes to show that there is lots of interest beyond "hype". For a pop band like 1D, writing their own songs isn't important as long as the end result is good, and for me it really is, they don't claim to be Adele. Singing itself is a talent, performing is a talent and they can sure as hell put on a good show (I say this having seen them live last year, my dad came with me and he said they put on a good show even if he doesn't like their music). But yes, we'll have to agree to disagree, no harm in a friendly debate :heehee:

Well Madonna is not the greatest singer on earth either so.. :P

 

Being a pop star is more than the voice

 

That is why I always think of the music industry split in two, popstars and artists, it is why I love Rihanna's new album as it has moved her from popstar to artist in my eyes and she is much better for it.

 

I haven't heard Zayn's album but from what I have read he wants to be the latter and felt he could only be the former with 1D, so I guess sales wont be that important for him (though they will for the label obviously).

Mintroyale just confirmed to me on Twitter that Zayn had only sold a few hundred more than James first DAY sales, so probably around 7-8k at best.

 

pRiCeLeSs :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Well Madonna is not the greatest singer on earth either so.. :P

 

Being a pop star is more than the voice

 

Madonna doesn't have the greatest voice but she's done some brilliant songs in the past and is very talented artist. She writes some of her own material and knows how to put on a great show. In recent years however, she seems to have lost her way and I think she's reached the end of the road in terms of releasing new material but you can't deny she's had some very memorable moments in the past and will always be remembered for that.

Well Madonna is not the greatest singer on earth either so.. :P

 

Being a pop star is more than the voice

 

Her vocals aren't the best (decent enough though) for most of her early material up until the Evita soundtrack, for which I recall she had vocal training for.

 

I'm no massive Madonna fan, but I think she sounds fantastic on the 'Ray of Light' album.

I think 1D are very good. After I saw them in concert I immediately said that they're the best boyband ever. Great songs, brilliant performers. I don't care if they write all their songs themselves or not (they have written some)

 

 

I've heard the complete opposite about their gigs. Friends of mine who've gone to a gig as a group and a lot of them have said worst show ever. They just did't even care and gave no effort whatsoever.

 

Might have been an off day but almost everyone I've spoken to have not been majorly impressed by them.

Could be an off day... also, they're not a traditional boyband, more of a pop/rock group so it's also about what you expect

 

Here's a video from their show in Helsinki. It was great to witness in the middle of the crowd https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDkZrKCCDPk

Edited March 27, 20169 yr by SKOB

I've heard the complete opposite about their gigs. Friends of mine who've gone to a gig as a group and a lot of them have said worst show ever. They just did't even care and gave no effort whatsoever.

 

Might have been an off day but almost everyone I've spoken to have not been majorly impressed by them.

 

It wouldn't surprise me. At the end of the day, they've never had to really work hard in order to obtain their success. It's almost been handed to them on a plate through exposure from the X factor and the media. They may well take their success for granted to some degree and hence why some people feel they don't care.

 

 

Just gonna throw it out there that the fact Madonna can't '''''technically''''' sing is part of the appeal for me - her rawer vocals adds so much more emotion.

Not a fan of one direction myself but to say they are untalented because you dont like them is a a bit unfair

 

Millions have bought their singles and albums through choice nobody is forced to buy or stream a song but if your going with the hype card isnt adele the most hype artist out there atm and she is extremely talented imo

 

Isnt the definition of pop music - music that is popular

 

To the person that said they havent worked hard its the x factor thats made them what they are other than little mix and leona lewis possibly, how many act have been able to maintain the level of success of them so you cant really use that card

Edited March 27, 20169 yr by 777666jason

Also there are lots of acts whose careers are pretty much based on luck. One that comes to mind is Roxette who broke through in USA when an exchange student introduced The Look to a radio station in Minneapolis.

Edited March 27, 20169 yr by SKOB