Regardless of your position on 'Political' vs 'Not political', you can't help but sense the irony in the fact that the UK only received points from Ireland, Malta & Australia :lol:

I actually loved the vote reveal although I was shocked to see Poland? Get all those points from the telejury after getting 7 from the judges. I Didn't much like the winner and pretty disappointed that Dami never won but Second is brilliant!

An interesting winner, especially given the political content about Stalin and the ethnic cleansing he affectively created in 1944.

 

Appropriately enough 18th May is a Day of Remembrance for the victims of Crimean Tatar genocide. I hope that Putin/Russia is taking note!

 

The UK entry failed because it was a fairly bland/unmemorable pop song with quite simple lyrics 'I- I- I feel like I'm dancing in the sky- i- i- i', but Joe and Jake did give a great performance and so should feel proud of what they achieved. Personally I was living for Richard Osman giving the UK jury vote - Pointless indeed.

Have been so busy this week that haven't participated the discussion here but quite good results. As a show Sweden did better 3 years ago but always love some Petra and Måns!

 

JT was awful. And so was UK's entry. Come on, that bland Coldplay mimicking must stop immediately.

Edited May 15, 201610 yr by SKOB

And our 8 televoting points came from:

 

Malta (1 point)

Ireland (3 points)

Australia (4 points)

 

so we got all our points from countries related to us who probably just tactical voted/voted for us because they liked us :lol:

I think while the winner is a strong song some percentage of points for it was "pity points". It wasn't much but it was just enough to scrape into #1, given how close the top-3 was. Australia should have won tbh

 

But while Ukraine was one of the contenders anyway so it wasn't that surprising, the biggest shock was Poland coming 3rd in voters. It is such a baaaad nonsense, and I can't get how it got through to finals, let alone grabbing a #3 in televoters!

 

Also jury votes were very random in some places, I don't think it's a very objective criteria, but overall they were more accurate than televoters in my opinion.

 

Still, a very nice top-4, I was rooting for any 2 - 4 to win, so nice to see them that high.

Edited May 15, 201610 yr by Zárate

But while Ukraine was one of the contenders anyway so it wasn't that surprising, the biggest shock was Poland coming 3rd in voters. It is such a baaaad nonsense, and I can't get how it got through to finals, let alone grabbing a #3 in televoters!

 

There are a lot of Polish people in the UK - we gave them 10 points in our televote(!)

I just met Amir at Arlanda!!!

Guys, don't know if anyone will know the answer to this but I betted on Ukraine to win and I checked it on coral as 7/2 a few hours before, didnt think anything of it until ukraine won and I looked on the slip and the odds were 66/1. Surely they wouldn't of changed that much but is the odds on the slips 100% correct?

Did you vote before the semi? There was a fair bit of hype building up over the Ukraine song in the few days before the contest, so that will have seen the odds come down a lot. If you got 66/1, then well done :lol:

France just got their best result since 2002.

That description is exactly why it came 23rd.

'1944' is a very popular on BuzzJack. Why are you assuming your opinion on music is worth so much in a contest watched by hundreds of millions?

 

The Ukraine song was hardly great, there were much better songs on the night, of which I'm sure BuzzJack will agree. If it was great, then like other winners it would be doing well in the charts straight after. Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think that is the case. It had a strong political message, and people voted for it. It was an 'okay' song, but you said the same about the UK entry. Just because something is popular on BuzzJack does it not mean it is great.

 

I don't think the contest is fully politically/popular motivated, but come off it, to say there is not some influences is downright stupid. Our popular votes came from Australia, Ireland and Malta. I get the Eurovision is passionate for you, and you don't like it when people come and say things you don't agree with. Fair enough.

there were much better songs on the night, of which I'm sure BuzzJack will agree.

A lot of people wouldn't agree. I would be one of them.

 

If it was great, then like other winners it would be doing well in the charts straight after. Just because something is popular on BuzzJack does it not mean it is great.

It's not a commercial winner, it isn't expected to do well in the charts. 'Grande Amore' topped the televote last year and did nothing on iTunes. I never said people on BuzzJack liking a song makes it good, I used BuzzJack as a local example of people disagreeing with you. Some people don't like '1944', others do.

 

I don't think the contest is fully politically/popular motivated, but come off it, to say there is not some influences is downright stupid. Our popular votes came from Australia, Ireland and Malta.

I at no point in my posts said that there was no political motivation in the contest, it is there for all to see. All I denied was that the UK could never do well again or that their woes were entirely to do with their lack of friends and nothing to do with their songs. If you think the contest is defined entirely by its political votes and that there's no failure whatsoever on the part of the UK's selections then you aren't worth having a discussion with in this forum.

 

I get the Eurovision is passionate for you, and you don't like it when people come and say things you don't agree with. Fair enough.

This is a pathetic attempt at making someone look biased. Don't use forums if you have to resort to stuff like this.

I'll be interested to see if Radio 2 playlist anything...I think they've playlisted the winner every year since 2009 but I'm not sure that 1944 is particularly Radio 2...maybe they'll playlist Dami instead (seeing as they playlisted The Calm After The Storm as well as Conchita two years ago).

HOT STATZ ALERT: These would've been the results under the system of voting from last year. Silas aver your gaze now!

 

01 316 Australia

02 275 Ukraine

03 241 Russia

04 183 Bulgaria

05 163 France

06 151 Sweden

07 139 Armenia

08 105 Lithuania

09 92 Belgium

10 76 Latvia

11 75 Netherlands

12 70 Austria (more votes)

13 70 Italy

14 65 Hungary

15 61 Serbia

16 57 Azerbaijan

17 56 Georgia

18 53 Cyprus

19 51 Poland

20 38 Spain

21 29 Israel

22 27 United Kingdom

23 24 Croatia

24 19 Malta

25 8 Germany

26 2 Czech Republic

 

Poland/Malta would have crashed a lot harder due to the size of their public/jury mismatch and Australia's jury landslide would have been enough to give them the win. Also France leapfrog Sweden into the top 5.

Having looked at a lot of the broken down results, one change that would be good is for jury members to sit away from each other to watch the jury final, seeing as these personal rankings have such a major impact on the results as a whole.

 

Just looking at a small cross section shows that generally the five jurors from each country tend to agree with each other a lot of the time, no matter how oddball going for a certain track seems. For example why did all five UK jurors think Georgia was so great? Presumably they discussed it very favourably with each other while watching and influenced each other's opinions on the track. I wonder if they'd have all ranked it 1st or 2nd if they'd been watching alone?

 

And why did all five Russian jurors think the UK entry was between 6th and 10th best. The list goes on, and is reflected in almost every country's jury votes on a lot of occasions, suggesting that these incidences are a lot more than just a huge coincidence.

Edited May 15, 201610 yr by gooddelta

A lot of people wouldn't agree. I would be one of them.

 

It's not a commercial winner, it isn't expected to do well in the charts. 'Grande Amore' topped the televote last year and did nothing on iTunes. I never said people on BuzzJack liking a song makes it good, I used BuzzJack as a local example of people disagreeing with you. Some people don't like '1944', others do.

 

I at no point in my posts said that there was no political motivation in the contest, it is there for all to see. All I denied was that the UK could never do well again or that their woes were entirely to do with their lack of friends and nothing to do with their songs. If you think the contest is defined entirely by its political votes and that there's no failure whatsoever on the part of the UK's selections then you aren't worth having a discussion with in this forum.

 

This is a pathetic attempt at making someone look biased. Don't use forums if you have to resort to stuff like this.

 

People are entitled to their opinion, but I think the song is rubbish. Judging by the general reaction, people agree with me. People voted for the song because it had a great political message, rather than the song itself. Of course there are exceptions to the rules, but generally speaking the songs that win Eurovision also make an impact in the European charts, for the reason that they're good pop songs. The best song did not win.

 

I never said that the contest is entirely politically motivated, just that there is an impact. Generally speaking, the best pop song wins. No I don't believe the UK can ever do well again. I remember everyone on here thought Molly would do exceptionally well. We didn't, we flopped yet again. Sure it might have been that it just didn't stand out on the night, but I don't think we will do well again. Just my own opinion and that's based on the fact that I don't think we know what song to send. And we will never ever send something outside of the box whilst the BBC is in charge.

 

Your tone is always so aggressive. I can respond however I want. It wasn't meant as a dig at all, just that sometimes passion clouds judgement. I'm guilty of it too.

I'd definitely agree with that Rich - you'd have HUGE trouble getting any random 5 of Buzzjack posters to have rankings that even are vaguely similar to all of each other. I mean, Georgia's entry does sound very much in line with what British music is known for... 20 years ago so I wouldn't be surprised at music jurors giving it high points but all SO high is weird.

 

And, on another note, Ukraine's song, it's a bit of a shame it's getting all this political leverage aimed at it, it's far more historical than political and I know the timing of it all is very anti-Russia but it shouldn't detract from it being a very musically clever and distinctive song and a coupled with a strong heart-wrenching performance, definitely more worthy of taking the top spot than a number of recent winners by musical accomplishment alone.

Interesting that Australia would've won if it was last year's voting method, just shows how powerful the 200 odd jury members have become and I do think their influence needs to be scaled down a bit. Ukraine coming 2nd in both jury and televote seems a fairer winner than Australia smashing the jury but only 4th on the public vote.

I'd definitely agree with that Rich - you'd have HUGE trouble getting any random 5 of Buzzjack posters to have rankings that even are vaguely similar to all of each other. I mean, Georgia's entry does sound very much in line with what British music is known for... 20 years ago so I wouldn't be surprised at music jurors giving it high points but all SO high is weird.

 

Also how badly Sweden did with all but one of the UK jurors. Sure they may have all completely hated it but part of me wonders if there was a big personality in the room going 'oh god this is complete shit' and the others all felt inclined to agree/fall in line/afraid to defend it. I do think peer pressure plays a part with the jury voting.

 

Even at the Eurovision party I was at last night about 20 people expressed their hate for The Netherlands whereas I was getting strange looks when I said I liked it...you wonder if a similar sort of thing goes on in the jury watching rooms!

Pretty sure Russia will be calling for an end to Jury voting (they have suffered twice in a row due to not having popular voting only) and then maybe also avoid competing next year in Ukraine.

 

I hate the new voting system. End of the day, who gives a toss what 5 people think and devote 40 tedious minutes to their vastly over-inflated opinion (and I wanted Australia to win!), followed by a quick 10 minute add-on of the public vote. It made the jury results look stupid. I preferred the old system, at least we would have had a decent hit-potential winner. Or the public vote, ditto. In the event it was the track that topped neither public nor judges that won, which leaves me feeling it unsatisfactory.

 

Poland always does well in the popular vote relative to music industry folk cos they have lots of young people working throughout Europe, and especially the UK. Expect this to be come a headline for the LEAVE brigade any day now, followed by a demand that we pull out of Eurovision too and hold our own contest with ourselves :lol:

 

 

HOT STATZ ALERT: These would've been the results under the system of voting from last year. Silas aver your gaze now!

 

01 316 Australia

02 275 Ukraine

03 241 Russia

04 183 Bulgaria

05 163 France

06 151 Sweden

07 139 Armenia

08 105 Lithuania

09 92 Belgium

10 76 Latvia

11 75 Netherlands

12 70 Austria (more votes)

13 70 Italy

14 65 Hungary

15 61 Serbia

16 57 Azerbaijan

17 56 Georgia

18 53 Cyprus

19 51 Poland

20 38 Spain

21 29 Israel

22 27 United Kingdom

23 24 Croatia

24 19 Malta

25 8 Germany

26 2 Czech Republic

 

Poland/Malta would have crashed a lot harder due to the size of their public/jury mismatch and Australia's jury landslide would have been enough to give them the win. Also France leapfrog Sweden into the top 5.

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