June 26, 20169 yr Plot twist. The petition to have a 2nd referendum was started by a Leave voter a month before the vote on the assumption that Remain were going to win! :lol: I think I saw on twitter as well that Nigel Farage said that if remain won by a small majority there should be a 2nd referendum? :lol: (if anyone knows whether this is true back me up lmao)
June 26, 20169 yr If you want you can let this result eat you up inside like a cancer for the rest of your life or you can try to move on from a decision that has been made and wont change. It's your choice. All it takes is for someone to stand up and say that Brexit is achievable without a tremendous amount of pain and suffering. Just look at the Leave campaign, the only one that is actually happy about this is Nigel Farage. Everyone else has been pretty somber. Probably because they never thought they would win and thus now have no actual plan of what to do next while appeasing the mass who voted for "freedom" and also not committing economic suicide. 16 million people didn't vote for this and the majority of Parliament are against it. Whether it changes or not is irrelevant. At least I can hold up my karma sign when it all goes tits up and sleep well at night.
June 26, 20169 yr You lot are still debating the result? I wonder how many pages long this thread will be eventually. It was a bad result but the decision has been made now and it's not going to change so you have to try and move on with your lives and don't let the result consume or torment you. Those people who signed a petition for a 2nd referendum are just wasting their time because there's no chance in hell that will happen even if every single person in the UK signed it. So what if people after 2 and a half days still want to discuss it and speak about it? Even after a week or a month... why is it a bad thing? If you've moved on and you don't want to talk about it just don't visit this thread. So simple. It's your thing but don't tell anyone to move on, if they have still something to stay. (Ironically you've started this thread lol)
June 26, 20169 yr If you want to blame someone - blame the Conservatives. Their incredibly weak leader gave in to internal arguments within the party and gambled this country's future on satiating that argument - backed up by a ruthless establishment onslaught on the electorate telling them vote remain or else - sometimes people don't react well to this.
June 26, 20169 yr Regarding Turkey's application - they actually have the EU over a barrel. Since when did conditions mean anything for the EU - Greece famously 'cooked the books' to join the Euro in 2001. We all know what happened after that! It doesn't matter whether Turkey lie about whether they have satisfied all the conditions for entry. Cyprus will veto their application, so it is irrelevant.
June 26, 20169 yr If you want you can let this result eat you up inside like a cancer for the rest of your life or you can try to move on from a decision that has been made and wont change. It's your choice. No-one will be eaten up, in fact you looked more annoyed that people still discuss it. Don't let this thread eat you up. Just don't visit, it's your choice ;)
June 26, 20169 yr It doesn't matter whether Turkey lie about whether they have satisfied all the conditions for entry. Cyprus will veto their application, so it is irrelevant. Indeed but the EU (led by Germany) bullied the Greeks and I think they would easily be able to do the same to Cyprus if it was in the interest of their project.
June 26, 20169 yr That is why we need to hold a general election in the medium term, to have a clear plan set out on the terms of exit from all parties on which to vote on - will we have a Switzerland style relationship for example? (they voted 50.3% to 49.7% to not be a member of the EU in December 1992), we won't leave until at the very earliest January 2019 so there is plenty of time to take stock. This question is not just on the type of trading relationship that we will have with the eurozone, but how the country will change too. I.e. The poor and neglected parts of Wales, the North and East, that unanimously voted to leave need greater investment and support to help build a more inclusive/cohesive and integrated society in which will ultimately work to manage immigration. Housing needs to be URGENTLY addressed - not the lacklustre Conservative legislation that has actually worked to support builders, wealthy owner-occupiers and landlords over the renters it claims to support. The ridiculous part of it is that those regions have been receiving EU money for years, for the very reasons you state. It was almost laughable seeing the Welsh First Minister wanting a guarantee that those funds would be protected. The government would be perfectly justified ids saying "You voted to leave, so you voted to lose the benefits as well as the disadvantages. Now sod off."
June 26, 20169 yr I think I saw on twitter as well that Nigel Farage said that if remain won by a small majority there should be a 2nd referendum? :lol: (if anyone knows whether this is true back me up lmao) I posted it earlier, but I'll post it again for other people who missed it... Nigel Farage warns today he would fight for a second referendum on Britain in Europe if the remain campaign won by a narrow margin next month. The Ukip leader said a small defeat for his leave camp would be “unfinished business” and predicted pressure would grow for a re-run of the 23 June ballot. Farage told the Mirror: “In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way. If the remain campaign win two-thirds to one-third that ends it.”
June 26, 20169 yr Author how can I move on when currently I am uncertain about not only my own future but the future of the country I live in? This isn't something to just "move on" with and I'm going to continue fighting for what I believe in. This decision has been made but it's FAR from over Fair enough. Go ahead then. So what if people after 2 and a half days still want to discuss it and speak about it? Even after a week or a month... why is it a bad thing? If you've moved on and you don't want to talk about it just don't visit this thread. So simple. It's your thing but don't tell anyone to move on, if they have still something to stay. (Ironically you've started this thread lol) I was just trying to give some advice that's all, bitterness is not good any way shape or form. Also I didn't start this thread (not on purpose anyway) I made a post in another thread which got split into this thread. If you read page 2 of this thread then you would have seen that. Edited June 26, 20169 yr by Hazza Chapman
June 26, 20169 yr I was just trying to give some advice that's all, bitterness is not good any way shape or form. Also I didn't start this thread (not on purpose anyway) I made a post in another thread which got split into this thread. If you read page 2 of this thread then you would have seen that. Fair enough, I didn't read all the 30+ pages. I take it back. Sorry There's no bitterness at all, in fact I felt bitterness behind your friendly "advice". Your advice is not a good advice in any way ;) Also you still visit the thread (and answering), so you're still very much interested in what people say. You don't want to move on? :D
June 26, 20169 yr Author Fair enough, I didn't read all the 30+ pages. I take it back. Sorry There's no bitterness at all, in fact I felt bitterness behind your friendly "advice". Your advice is not a good advice in any way ;) Also you still visit the thread (and answering), so you're still very much interested in what people say. You don't want to move on? :D What?
June 26, 20169 yr http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scot...litics-36633244 Actually thinking about this in a bit more perspective, it's a complete clusterf***. Block Brexit and I think it would be very difficult for them to gain independence. Support Brexit and the EU may not look too kindly. The whole country is walking a tightrope at the moment.. but at least we have our borders back.
June 26, 20169 yr What? What what? If people are bitter and disappointed about the results the solution is not so easy to just "move on". some people need to speak about it, and helps a lot to find their peace. That's why your advice is not a good advice. In fact I think you're bitter too because you're advicing people to move on, as you would be annoyed about it, that they are still debating.
June 26, 20169 yr http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scot...litics-36633244 She's been doing the rounds this morning and it has been utterly glorious. While Labour implodes and the Torys vanish off the face of the earth Nicola is out there and she is standing up for our country, how we voted and for the wonderful people who decided to call Scotland home despite the awful weather. Indeed but the EU (led by Germany) bullied the Greeks and I think they would easily be able to do the same to Cyprus if it was in the interest of their project. The French aren't keen either and then there's the right wing powers in Hungary and Poland who'd rather be invaded by Russia than allow a majority Muslim state in. They reckon there's a good half dozen states prepared to wield the veto Actually thinking about this in a bit more perspective, it's a complete clusterf***. Block Brexit and I think it would be very difficult for them to gain independence. Support Brexit and the EU may not look too kindly. The whole country is walking a tightrope at the moment.. but at least we have our borders back. If she blocks Brexit she carries out sovereign wishes of her electorate. Makes them more popular for standing up for the country and fighting. There won't be a circumstance in which they give consent, they don't believe in it and the support would collapse overnight. What's more like is that Westminster won't even ask for consent.
June 26, 20169 yr Conservative Leave MP, Boris backer: "there is no plan. Leave campaign don't have a post Brexit plan, Number 10 should have had one"
June 26, 20169 yr I think I saw on twitter as well that Nigel Farage said that if remain won by a small majority there should be a 2nd referendum? :lol: (if anyone knows whether this is true back me up lmao) It is true :lol: I saw that earlier today myself. I don't exactly hear him calling for a second referendum now :wacko:
June 26, 20169 yr Conservative Leave MP, Boris backer: "there is no plan. Leave campaign don't have a post Brexit plan, Number 10 should have had one" To anyone that thinks we should just "get on with it", watch this video. https://twitter.com/jonnycherry/status/747045489359597568 Even if nothing happens, we can try our hardest to make our voices heard. There has been absolutely zero thought process throughout the Leave campaign. No-one is going to want to push the button except Nigel Farage. And even then, I think he would be reluctant. For all that David Cameron has played a mess in this, he's played a blinder by not handing in Article 50 straight away (as was originally promised).
June 26, 20169 yr I don't think there's been a single election where the winning side as breathtakingly went back on everything it said during the campaign in the space of few days as they have done here. At least the Liberal Democrats in 2010 had the reason of coalition negotiations for ditching most of their manifesto.
June 26, 20169 yr I agree with Doctor Blind as I do believe holding a second referendum could create a problematic precedent and what has been done is done. The reason that I am angry with the result though is the reasons why many leave voters have voted the way they have. I do not understand how you can risk a whole nation's future by focusing on one aspect and ignoring many other crucial issues. Speaking personally, I certainly didn't ignore the economic issues, but in my case they didn't come close to outweighing that advantages I perceive in getting out. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scot...litics-36633244 She got a bit of a shock too... NON! EU slaps down Sturgeon: SNP leader dramatically announces she wants 'immediate discussions' to STAY in EU... but she is humiliated as Brussels says 'No, that's not how it works' http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-36...-not-works.html
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