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The Official Labour Foot-Shoot Thread, Mk II

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She will be deselected for the next election.

 

But she could still stand (and possibly win) as an Independent - it's happened before.

 

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Her remain constituency hates her? And the labour brand is far more powerful than her. She is no Georgw Galloway. They could deselect 90% of Blairites and clean up their seats and the Blairites know it.
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Yes, it would be interesting to see if her standing as an MP in Vauxhall was as a result of support for her personally, or for the Labour Party as a whole ie would the constituents in Vauxhall make a Balloon on a Stick MP as long as it had a Labour rosette? Interestingly, Kate Hoey has comfortably gained over 50% of the vote in her 30 years as an MP, and even more interestingly despite being recognised as one of the few Labour Leavers, her vote actually increased in the last election, despite Vauxhall being extremely anti-Brexit.
Her remain constituency hates her? And the labour brand is far more powerful than her. She is no Georgw Galloway. They could deselect 90% of Blairites and clean up their seats and the Blairites know it.

 

I think you underestimate how much Labour support is centre-left, rather than hard-left.

No, Vauxhall is extremely anti-Tory and pro-Labour with a large momentum base. It isn't pro this Brexit MP.
I think you underestimate how much Labour support is centre-left, rather than hard-left.

It doesn't matter whether people are voting Labour because they're perceived to be centre left or hard left because Kate Hoey is neither - she has supported the Tories' brand of hard Brexit and has some other socially conservative views that make her a better fit for the DUP, rather than the MP of one of the most cosmopolitan and liberal parts of the country.

 

She'd struggle to even get 5% of the vote if she stood as an independent. Not just because she doesn't fit into the constituency, but also because the vast majority of the electorate vote according to the party and its leader. While most voters know a party's policies and what its leader stands for, few are engaged enough to know the views of their MP - many don't even know their MP's name.

 

Kate Hoey points to a wider problem of a constituency-based FPTP system when UK politics has become more presidentialised. Another reason why proportional representation or a presidential system would be better.

Wrong again - just check the last (post-referendum) GE result...

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vauxhall_(UK_...t_constituency)

 

She had a majority of over 20k, despite being a Brexit supporter in an apparently strongly Remain area.

The 3.5% increase in her vote share was well down on Labour's average increase in London (+11%), thanks to a local anti-Brexit campaign from the Lib Dems. If we had a better voting system, this would have damaged Labour.

 

But the vast majority of Vauxhall voters wouldn't have known about their MPs views, so they're not really relevant until Hoey actually gets into the House of Commons.

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They were voting Labour, not for that Tory.

 

They voted for her in large numbers, period.

 

 

They voted for her in large numbers, period.

They voted for her because she was the Labour candidate. It's not as if Labour supporters could vote for a different Labour candidate if they didn't like Hoey. After all, I wouldn't claim that every Tory voter in Surrey Heath was a strong supporter of everything Gove stands for.

I have no idea who me mp (Labour) is. I vote Labour and put two fingers up at the aristocracy and landed gentry and that's that. I wouldn't even recognise their name on the ballot as an independent.
I have no idea who me mp (Labour) is. I vote Labour and put two fingers up at the aristocracy and landed gentry and that's that. I wouldn't even recognise their name on the ballot as an independent.

 

I suspect the candidates names might be mentioned in an election campaign, though... :rolleyes:

Another Labour Leave MP, Frank Field, has lost a vote of no-confidence at his constituency level. Although unlike in Vauxhall, his constituency, Birkenhead, voted in favour of Leave.

 

or as they say locally (I also used to have the accent back in my childhood days) "Baihrken'ed". Or as I say for Frank, Burke'n'brexit.

Is it a coincidence that both those Labour MP's are long-standing, and locally very popular - just the sort of MP's resistant to Corbynite influence... :thinking:
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The odd thing is that Frank Field actually nominated Corbyn for leader back in 2015 (albeit he may have been one of those who nominated him to "widen the debate", which we can all say was a great success), and both him and Kate Hoey have been quite loyal to Corbyn so far. And of course the most ironic thing about the whole thing is that they've been censured by pro-Coybyn loyalists over voting for Brexit, when Jeremy Corbyn has been a known Eurosceptic for over 30 years as a backbench MP. Although there's no chance of him being deselected.

 

I can't comment if Kate Hoey & Frank Field are popular in their own constituencies outside their local parties, but if anyone on BJ lives in either of those areas (I do recall there is someone here who lives in Vauxhall?), I'd be interested to hear your input.

I can't comment if Kate Hoey & Frank Field are popular in their own constituencies outside their local parties, but if anyone on BJ lives in either of those areas (I do recall there is someone here who lives in Vauxhall?), I'd be interested to hear your input.

 

I was thinking in terms of the size of their majorities, for a start.

 

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