What’s the point of defectors like?

Glad he apologised — although his stance on LGBT+ rights is undermined by the complete silence on Rosie Duffield, and unwillingness to discuss the issue with LGBT+ Labour staff after almost eight months of them raising it.

 

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It is just constant now — and nothing is being done about it.

 

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It sounds like there's an imminent shadow cabinet reshuffle with Anneliese Dodds rumoured to be on the list for the chop.

 

What's the betting that Lisa Nandy ends up as Shadow Chancellor

It sounds like there's an imminent shadow cabinet reshuffle with Anneliese Dodds rumoured to be on the list for the chop.

 

What's the betting that Lisa Nandy ends up as Shadow Chancellor

 

 

It's really like shuffling the chairs on the Titanic. Starmer should realise he'll never be elected and go now.

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It is just constant now — and nothing is being done about it.

 

:(

🙃🙃🙃

This country has fallen and democracy is basically dead. It is a far right playground, and minority rights and status in society are going to suffer. It is a short hop from being a terf to full-blown homophobia.

It sounds like there's an imminent shadow cabinet reshuffle with Anneliese Dodds rumoured to be on the list for the chop.

 

What's the betting that Lisa Nandy ends up as Shadow Chancellor

 

Does she even have a background in economics though? Annalese has been for the chop for ages now and hasn’t - it’ll more likely be Reeves or some technocrat like that.

 

Anyway good to see the UKIP votes returning to Labour in Wales anyway in comparison to England.

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Remember when Starmer was sold to Labour members as someone who would continue popular Corbyn/McDonnell policies but with clearer messaging and a more professional approach?

 

 

The Labour leadership and the commentariat have been talking up this idea of Corbyn (and by extension his policies) being unpopular and coming up with the conclusion that nobody liked him and the only ones that do are raving mad twitter communists... which doesn't follow, in fact those who like him, diverse, young, in cities are far more likely to be the true working class than the image these commentators have in their minds. It's also not true at all, he was the only Labour leader recently to actually reverse the decline in vote numbers. This mapping of approval ratings onto party leader worth is something I've only really seen prominent recently. The lesson to learn is that policies and enthusiasm are the way forward, get people out to vote for you, and an alternative, a real alternative that people can actually vote for, needs to be presented, don't run scared of voters. You can certainly win if half the country hates you, the Tories have been doing that all decade (which is a problem of our voting system true).

 

meanwhile Starmer's over here talking about making changes for the things that need changing and that's the change he'll bring about, twirling towards freedom etc. Labour's never making ground like that.

Mandelson and Adonis were doing my head in yday, like liberal trolls who wouldn’t f*** off!

The Labour leadership and the commentariat have been talking up this idea of Corbyn (and by extension his policies) being unpopular and coming up with the conclusion that nobody liked him and the only ones that do are raving mad twitter communists... which doesn't follow, in fact those who like him, diverse, young, in cities are far more likely to be the true working class than the image these commentators have in their minds. It's also not true at all, he was the only Labour leader recently to actually reverse the decline in vote numbers. This mapping of approval ratings onto party leader worth is something I've only really seen prominent recently. The lesson to learn is that policies and enthusiasm are the way forward, get people out to vote for you, and an alternative, a real alternative that people can actually vote for, needs to be presented, don't run scared of voters. You can certainly win if half the country hates you, the Tories have been doing that all decade (which is a problem of our voting system true).

 

meanwhile Starmer's over here talking about making changes for the things that need changing and that's the change he'll bring about, twirling towards freedom etc. Labour's never making ground like that.

 

I don't think people aren't saying Corbyn's policies weren't popular, as they were, especially in 2017. But he had the Party machine around him then, albeit reluctantly. Then there is the narrative going round now without any evidence whatsoever that the Party sabotaged him. There wasn't any sabotage, it was sheer incompetence from his allies. There was a huge failure to build upon the result of 2017 and then in the end, the man who might have been popular with some quarters was so universally disliked by a large portion of the electorate.

 

The knives sharpen at both sides of the Party and we're seemingly in a never-ending hamster wheel. As I've thought for the past few years, at this point unless there is a unifying figure (there isn't). I totally agree the Party needs a popular figure and Starmer longer term isn't that man, but there is literally nobody else who wants the job that would actually do a decent job.

I don't think people aren't saying Corbyn's policies weren't popular, as they were, especially in 2017. But he had the Party machine around him then, albeit reluctantly. Then there is the narrative going round now without any evidence whatsoever that the Party sabotaged him. There wasn't any sabotage, it was sheer incompetence from his allies. There was a huge failure to build upon the result of 2017 and then in the end, the man who might have been popular with some quarters was so universally disliked by a large portion of the electorate.

 

The knives sharpen at both sides of the Party and we're seemingly in a never-ending hamster wheel. As I've thought for the past few years, at this point unless there is a unifying figure (there isn't). I totally agree the Party needs a popular figure and Starmer longer term isn't that man, but there is literally nobody else who wants the job that would actually do a decent job.

 

It is actual FACT that the party sabotaged him.

Agreed of course Labour HQ, the chairman Ian Nicolls and the PLP were trying to do all they can do he wouldn’t win. They would rather have a Tory government than a Labour Corbyn government which tells you the values and ideology of the right of the Labour Party, they are basically liberals.

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Speechless.

Baffling

Joke that like, a northern female voice - not the way to shake things up! Is Starmer the one who makes that decision??

Seems a bit knee-jerkey, but from what i've just read seems like she is going to be offered another role?

 

Just thrown a whole load of petrol on the civil war though :lol:

Starmer probably has to go at this point.

Rayner should be front and centre leading the charge against the Tories. What a stupid and bizarre move!

Imagine thinking that Rayner is the problem with Labour. Or Dodds.

 

Starmer keeps making the most braindead decisions over and over again.