Glasgow :wub:

 

A lot of people this side of the border who sided with the ministry for bigotry have been suspiciously quiet about the rangers riot. One would suggest they need to google what a mob is.

 

 

Disappointed to see Keith quiet on Glasgow. While the blokes themselves aren’t Muslim, sending that van into one of Scotland’s most diverse streets on Eid is reprehensible and given its where the Scottish labour leader chose to stand for holyrood AND was the seat in which not one but two fascists stood (ok three if you include the tories) and were trounced, the silence is deafening.

If they don't, they are absolute idiots. I hope Rayner stages a coup against Starmer, just like the centrists kept doing vs Jeremy.

 

I don't think Labour will bring in PR as a policy. Suspect for it to happen it would need a strong coalition with one of the smaller parties, which could happen. I think it will come back on the table eventually, but I see it being 10-15 years time imo.

Interesting article about the collapse of the Red Wall and how it may not necessarily be about class, but demographics: https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2021/...-more-age-class

 

So: no, the collapse of the Red Wall isn’t really about class. It’s about age. That, alas, doesn't mean that millennials only have to wait and that they will eventually be able to warp politics around themselves just as their parents have done.

 

A Reddit user named Jon Ahearn recently made a chart showing whether particular cohorts had been on the winning or losing side of every national election since 1974. It shows that, if you were born before the early 1970s, then a plurality of your cohort have won almost every election you have ever voted in. If you were born after the mid 1980s, a plurality of voters in your age group have lost almost every election you have ever voted in. For those born after 1990, that “almost every” drops to “every”.

 

Born to LOSE. :(

Interesting article about the collapse of the Red Wall and how it may not necessarily be about class, but demographics: https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2021/...-more-age-class

Born to LOSE. :(

 

That article, correct in its assertion that Labour has not lost the working-class, merely old retired people whose economic interests no longer align with the working class but culturally consider themselves to be so, reminds me of, tangentially, this article: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2...pposition-right

 

Essentially, the Labour party has become far too apologetic in misguided attempts to reach these voters that it can no longer talk about any issues unless it's on the terms of the governing right. The fear of 'wokeness' is a symptom, a thought-terminating cliche that is being used against the left that makes it embarassed to talk about the things it should be fighting for, and that's not just niche identity topics (still important) but weird assertions that 'normal folk' don't care about environmental issues or the, er, issue of working rights. Conceding ground like this is engaging on their terms, and until the Labour party figure that out, stop apologising for having principles and stop so transparently chasing votes rather than setting an agenda that actually converts voters, they'll continue to lose.

Yep age and home ownership are the main factors in determining whether people vote Conservative or not but it is hardly ever talked about. I don't blame younger people from taking more direct action or putting pressure on large corporations to change as older people are destroying their future.

I’m a home owner but I still vote for left wing parties! It’s def education to for me too, if your educated to a third level of education your more likely to look at the bigger picture and be centre left imo.

I’m a home owner but I still vote for left wing parties! It’s def education to for me too, if your educated to a third level of education your more likely to look at the bigger picture and be centre left imo.

 

Interesting you say that Steve - the diff since the 1970s is quite stark with more and more educated ppl voting for left wing parties yet the richest are still voting for right wing parties, but the link between education and wealth is broken now meaning a good degree don't necessarily mean a good career or income. Probably some of the voting patterns are tangentially linked to ridiculously unaffordable house prices and Thatcher's 'right to buy (votes)' policy in the 80s with a massive contingent of renters now.

 

The vote for right leaning parties (Conservatives) has become an unlikely collaboration between the wealthy elite and the retired baby boomers, formerly working class left wing voting ppl.

 

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Yeh so the mega rich May or may not be educated but with the money they have more to defend and the system of capitalism in our economy naturally leads to monopolies. Then the over 60s make up most of the population.

 

Might sound arrogant and generalised but think depending on what subject you study at uni your more likely to be well read and critical of things in general.

Yes - I think the problem we have with the media being so biased as it is there is no way that there can be a coalition between socially conservative home owning older voters and younger progressive renters. I agree that Labour should focus on the latter though as their political views usually end up as being correct and some although certainly not all are stolen by the Tory government. If we have two right wing parties, the Overton window will shift to the right. Plus they will lack any youthful energy about them - I mean who's going to get inspired by Starmer?

 

Yes - I think the problem we have with the media being so biased as it is there is no way that there can be a coalition between socially conservative home owning older voters and younger progressive renters. I agree that Labour should focus on the latter though as their political views usually end up as being correct and some although certainly not all are stolen by the Tory government. If we have two right wing parties, the Overton window will shift to the right. Plus they will lack any youthful energy about them - I mean who's going to get inspired by Starmer?

 

My thoughts are that Nu Labour essentially created a whole extra generation of Tory voters when they allowed people to buy their own council houses. Great idea in practive and I'm sure some other party would have adopted the policy, but through an act of good millions of extra home owners have been created and we no longer have enough new homes that are being built. And if homes are being built, homeowners always complain :lol:

You mean the tories accelerated this policy?

 

Problem is from working in this sector we underestimate how even if people own their homes - they can’t look after themselves properly and the point will come for most when they need accommodation for older persons.

PwC have got their grubby mits on the Labour Party yet again. *shudder*

 

PwC have got their grubby mits on the Labour Party yet again. *shudder*

 

 

Sigh. It is all so predictable.

 

So many members were fooled with Starmer and it drives me absolutely insane. He won't come close to winning an election but job well done I suppose.

 

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It’s a lower case w tyvm private eye x

 

 

I once stood in a room at a tax training event and they had us line up left to right, with left being that companies should pay a fair amount of tax and right being like loopholes and that are fair game. I was the furthest left. The tutor asked me what I thought and the guy next to me literally took a gigantic step further to the right away from me.

 

 

With DAC6 and HMRC disclosure rules, the big4 actually do next to f*** all tax avoidance work these days because governments finally legislated properly. The UK rule is pretty comprehensive, it does a solid job. There’s still plenty of legal ways to lower your tax bills but the gov ain’t getting rid of deductions anytime soon because the charlatans in power all use them

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Hopefully the Greens can topple Thangam at the next GE- Bristol West is the one with the smallest swing required. She may have a great name but I'm tired of her bollocks.

Centrist liberals eh DB, they play by their rules!

Imagine being a serious, intelligent politician and backing off something you believe in because you think your opponents will hound you for it. Weak and cowardly.

Honestly, this is just depressing at this point — there is no other way to put it.

 

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Holy shit. That’s a disaster. With Union fees they’ve always been solidly funded

 

 

Another reason to ditch the red Tory