Surely that's the only option that would be acceptable for all sides. The fact that you're saying it's 'not inconceivable' is hardly optimistic when it's that or bust.

Buzzfeed News are quoting an EU source that says Scotland's entry into the EU is a 'slam dunk'. I'm 110% confident that we will get in, I'm just theorising on the actual way we will join. The Spaniards have been noticeably less hostile this time round and we have mountains of backing from Guy Verhofstadt and quite a number of people in the German government and at the top of their opposition parties.

Excuse me, are you going to back that up because that's bang out of order what you just said there.

 

Wanting free trade with common wealth countries as they speak the same language rather than EU states?

Wow Nicola Sturgeon really f***ing hates England, I see it as a win/win situation, if Scotland leaves then the rest of the UK no longer have to see and hear from that ugly racist again and if they vote to stay then she's just destroyed her own and the SNP's political careers.

 

yes because scotland will go independent then just cease to exist from the media :') if she lost another indyref (which i strongly doubt would happen, it'll be close if it is the case) then yes she'll probably resign, but i can't think it'll wreck the SNP, not now.

To really hammer it home the spainish government could champion the idea that Scotland is the successor state of the UK and thus automatically inherit its EU membership (not likely and not currently favoured by the EU Council) as that would leave no path for Catalonia to follow.

 

The EU have stated that Scotland would have to apply for membership once it becomes independant. Not sure how long or difficult of a process that would be for Scotland, but it could take a few years or longer to meet all the criteria. Scotland would more than likely have to join the Euro as well. In terms of Scotland's economy, I don't believe there's much of a case there for leaving the UK. Scotland exports a lot more to England/Wales/Northern Ireland than it does to the EU. Joining the Euro would likely make trading more expensive for Scotland with the rest of the UK (due to the £:Euro exchange rate). Not to mention oil prices are significantly lower than when the first independance referendum was held.

yes because scotland will go independent then just cease to exist from the media :') if she lost another indyref (which i strongly doubt would happen, it'll be close if it is the case) then yes she'll probably resign, but i can't think it'll wreck the SNP, not now.

 

There would be no reason for her or Scotland to be in the UK media anymore if they leave the UK, for example I don't ever see the Republic of Ireland PM or President in the UK media.

Excuse me, are you going to back that up because that's bang out of order what you just said there.

 

So you can call someone a racist and it's fine, but if someone calls you a racist you take the high ground and get offended? :huh:

There would be no reason for her or Scotland to be in the UK media anymore if they leave the UK, for example I don't ever see the Republic of Ireland PM or President in the UK media.

 

Daily Mail and pals will foam at the mouth over becoming a tiny marginal country and willplaaster an independent Scotland's every move over their pages for yeears.

 

It will also prove the 'fearmongering remoaners' right lol. It would be bye bye Britan and bye bye EU and bye bye world power status. Like we said. Oh andbye bye good evonomy.

 

Brexit - what a monumentally stupid and braindead decision.

Scotland should be able to join the EU faster than most applicant members. They will have satisfied most of the requirements simply by being part of the UK.

i can't really see there being a referendum without a clear entry plan into the EU, so i'm sure Sturgeon will announce/negotiate that well in time for any kind of official announcement. personally i can see scotland being fast tracked in

So you can call someone a racist and it's fine, but if someone calls you a racist you take the high ground and get offended? :huh:

 

Hang on, calling someone a racist is not just about being offended, that's a massive slur and I'm still waiting for that person to back up what they said. And yes Nicola Sturgeon is a racist, she absolutely despises England and anything to do with us.

Hang on, calling someone a racist is not just about being offended, that's a massive slur and I'm still waiting for that person to back up what they said. And yes Nicola Sturgeon is a racist, she absolutely despises England and anything to do with us.

Just like you despise 'foreigners' then. (And she doesn't hate England, she just wants the decisions made in Scotland to be made by the people who live there).

Yeooo!!!

Nicola Sturgeon is just not a racist :')

Just like you despise 'foreigners' then. (And she doesn't hate England, she just wants the decisions made in Scotland to be made by the people who live there).

 

Me despise foreigners? What a load of crap. I'm massively in favour of immigration to the UK but do I think it could be better controlled then yes, that's just common sense. Wanting your own country to have full control and knowledge over who is coming in and out of your country does NOT make you a racist, no-one ever accuses Japan or Australia of being racists for doing precisely that.

And yes, Sturgeon is a racist and she does hate England, just recently she refused to discipline an SNP head councillor for making a racist comment about English people. Also the London mayor Sadiq Khan has accused Sturgeon of stoking up anti-English racism.

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I very much look forward to Scotland seceding from the United Kingdom, then take out the popcorn whilst enjoying the sight of the SNP in an independent Scotland dashing all the way to the right faster than you can say de Valera.

Me despise foreigners? What a load of crap. I'm massively in favour of immigration to the UK but do I think it could be better controlled then yes, that's just common sense. Wanting your own country to have full control and knowledge over who is coming in and out of your country does NOT make you a racist, no-one ever accuses Japan or Australia of being racists for doing precisely that.

And yes, Sturgeon is a racist and she does hate England, just recently she refused to discipline an SNP head councillor for making a racist comment about English people. Also the London mayor Sadiq Khan has accused Sturgeon of stoking up anti-English racism.

You enthusiastically support a man who has proposed muslim's being banned from coming into America. That's a funny way of being in favour of immigration :lol: I've read the comments by the SNP councillor and while they were a bit silly I see nothing against the people of England in them.

 

And Sadiq Khan's comments were ridiculous. It's a shame as he's always been someone I respected before.

You enthusiastically support a man who has proposed muslim's being banned from coming into America. That's a funny way of being in favour of immigration :lol: I've read the comments by the SNP councillor and while they were a bit silly I see nothing against the people of England in them.

 

And Sadiq Khan's comments were ridiculous. It's a shame as he's always been someone I respected before.

 

Oh so if you support Trump then that automatically makes you a racist, what kind of logic is that, does that make all 62.9 million Americans that voted for Trump racists too. And no Trump hasn't banned Muslims from coming into the USA, he has temporarily suspended citizens from certain countries coming into the country whilst giving him time to sort out America's immigration laws. And why are you not criticising countries that PERMANENTLY ban Israeli people from entering their country, or are you just jumping on the 'let's hate anything Trump does' bandwagon.

Edited March 13, 20178 yr by PeaceMob

Oh so if you support Trump then that automatically makes you a racist, what kind of logic is that, does that make all 62.9 million Americans that voted for Trump racists too. And no Trump hasn't banned Muslims from coming into the USA, he has temporarily suspended citizens from certain countries coming into the country whilst giving him time to sort out America's immigration laws. And why are you not criticising countries that permanently ban Israeli people from entering their country, or are you just jumping on the 'let's hate anything Trump does' bandwagon.

Voting for Trump doesn't automatically make you racist but supporting some of Trump's individual policies (such as the Muslim ban) does imo, which you have.

Voting for Trump doesn't automatically make you racist but supporting some of Trump's individual policies (such as the Muslim ban) does imo, which you have.

It's not a Muslim ban as you say, how can it be if people from countries like Indonesia and Pakistan are still able to enter the US. Seriously it's like you are brainwashed or something. Anyway like I said before, wanting full control and knowledge over who's coming in and out of your country does NOT make you a racist.

The EU have stated that Scotland would have to apply for membership once it becomes independant. Not sure how long or difficult of a process that would be for Scotland, but it could take a few years or longer to meet all the criteria. Scotland would more than likely have to join the Euro as well. In terms of Scotland's economy, I don't believe there's much of a case there for leaving the UK. Scotland exports a lot more to England/Wales/Northern Ireland than it does to the EU. Joining the Euro would likely make trading more expensive for Scotland with the rest of the UK (due to the £:Euro exchange rate). Not to mention oil prices are significantly lower than when the first independance referendum was held.

*facepalm*

 

1 - reread the section of my post you quoted. It's clearly a hypothetical situation for what Spain could do to discourage Catalonia. Every EU statement is hypothetical until we actually vote yes.

 

As for the rest of your post. I'm just gonna use it to do a mass rebuttal of the Unionist press shite just so we're all on the same page before we start

 

2 - Scotland is currently part of an EU member state and thus applies all the various laws and regulations. There is no criteria too meet as it meets everyone of them already by BEING A MEMBERSTATE.

 

3 - Scotland and the alleged obligation to join the Euro. This particular unionist myth is so f***ing lazy because it takes 3 nano seconds to dispute. It is EU law to join the euro at some point however to do so you must meet criteria. One of these is being a member of the ERM for two years. This is over and above the economic criteria. To put off joining the euro forever you just don't join the ERM which is what Sweden have done. Or you could join the ERM and just not switch. The EU aren't hardliners over the Eurozone. About half the 2004 entrants have no plans to join the euro and the EU doesn't give a flying f***

 

4 - England trades more with Scotland than Scotland trades with England. We are Englands second largest export destination. rUK needs us for trade just as much as we need them. This isn't one sided. It's in both parties interests not to be f***ing idiots over the border.

 

5 - trade with rUK won't suddenly cease to be a thing. That's not how international trade works. This is common sense.

 

6 - If we were to join the Euro the pound is up the shitter so that means imports are cheap for us because of how exchange rates work it also makes trade with rEU more cost effective as we share a currency with hundreds of millions of people. If we move to Euro it's rUK that suffers with higher prices, not Scotland.

 

7 - You rely on us for Electricity. Literally. We overproduce massively every day and export to England because rUK doesn't have the capacity to cope without us.

 

8 - Oil is not the only thing our economic case is built on. There are many many many countries in Europe with a smaller or similar GDP that do just fine on their own. Or should I tell Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Iceland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Slovenia, Croatia, Malta, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Slovakia et al that the economic case for their independence "just doesn't add up"?

 

9 - Oil prices are rising again. New technology means that previously unviable oil fields are being reconsidered.

 

I'm really fed up of the same parroted unionist bullshit. It takes seconds of constructive thought to tear the myths apart. On GDP measures Scotland is the wealthiest part of the UK outside of London. It's wealthier than many EU member states. There's your economic case. How an independent Scotland balances its books is up to the government of the day. To say it has no case economically is woeful economic illiteracy.

 

And I will track down and bitch slap anyone that quotes the GERS figures so hard they'll have flower of Scotland ringing in their ears for the next 50 years. Those numbers are so discredited it's unreal. They include trident and HS2 (which stops at Manchester) and funding for other uk schemes that don't touch Scotland and the costs of a variety of other policy decisions taken by Westminster that Holyrood would not follow (such as the bargain basement corporation tax rate). The true figure is around 7-8% rather than 15%. It's still not great but last time I checked rUK hasn't hit a deficit target for over a decade. Maybe your economic case for independence just doesn't add up 🤔

 

 

Also brexiteers using the same things against us that they used to build their argument for leaving the EU is hilarious

*breathes*