Also, what is up with that hour long Theresa May propaganda on itv tonight with sympathetic music and sob story voice-over?

Where do you think I found it? :lol:

Absolutely, Danny!!

 

His momentum has been Sanders levels. In Gateshead alone more than 15,000 turned out to hear him speak and could not fit! They were running up a hill trying to get in! It's very Kate Bush-esque politics rn tbh.

 

And, Labour has completely divided itself now with its left policies AWAY from New Labour. Furthermore, even the TORIES, who are now basically UKIP in Blue, have had to make concessions to left-wing policies and talk about more social care. Corbyn has succeeded.

 

This momentum is false though imo. He is being treated by lots of corners are the Messiah. This is the worst Tory leadership in just about forever. I genuinely believe they have lost sight of their strategy and are just trying to focus on everyone. All of Corbyn's major support is coming from places where Labour have a real stronghold. I'm not surprised he's popular, he seems a genuine and down to earth guy. However I have seen nothing that has led me to believe he would be great at running the country (and this is compared to this current set of Tories!).

 

If Labour want to get back in power they need to shift more other to Centrist. I don't believe for one second the swing voters are going to vote for Labour in their droves until a more Centrist leaning leader takes charge.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-...t-a7776136.html

 

:rofl:

I'm still howling at this. I saw earlier in the day that something had shut the Thelwell but to see it was this was marvellous.

Irrespective of the 2015 manifesto, the Tories had done many things in government the previous 5 years that had royally pissed people off. And, for all that May's ratings have fallen through this campaign, they are still on a par with where Cameron's were on the eve of the election. Yet despite that, and despite Labour having a "Not Jeremy Corbyn" leader and running a "centrist" risk-averse strategy, they still failed miserably, because at the end of the day an opposition needs to give people something to vote for, and a reason to make the upheaval of change worthwhile, even if the incumbent government is woeful.

It's not that simple, though. Firstly the economy has slipped down in people's minds as this campaign has gone on - it's usually pretty much the biggest issue in most elections, but this time more coverage has been on Brexit and public services (because of what the two main parties see as their strengths) and obviously security. In 2015 it was arguably the main factor in the election - the Tories were still relentlessly pushing their "Labour crashed the car" line, which is less effective now as they've continued to miss deficit targets and the New Labour governments recede from recent memory.

 

Labour was always going to struggle in 2015 with the conditions like that because there was no clear strategy throughout Harman and Miliband's tenures. We probably could have done better, and maybe even won, with a bolder strategy if it had been implemented right from the start in 2010 but it wasn't done and the conditions for Corbyn in that sense are more favourable this time around.

This momentum is false though imo. He is being treated by lots of corners are the Messiah. This is the worst Tory leadership in just about forever. I genuinely believe they have lost sight of their strategy and are just trying to focus on everyone. All of Corbyn's major support is coming from places where Labour have a real stronghold. I'm not surprised he's popular, he seems a genuine and down to earth guy. However I have seen nothing that has led me to believe he would be great at running the country (and this is compared to this current set of Tories!).

 

If Labour want to get back in power they need to shift more other to Centrist. I don't believe for one second the swing voters are going to vote for Labour in their droves until a more Centrist leaning leader takes charge.

 

I completely agree. The fanfare surrounding Corbyn looks exciting and groundbreaking but in reality, it seems he is succeeding in the heartlands only. I don't honestly think that he is appealing to those swing voters who many have a genuine say in the election. Those who back someone who appears 'safe' will vote May as Corbyn's policies appear too left-wing and extreme.

 

I live in a very safe Labour seat (which upsets me as I do not like my MP at all as I find him to be contradictory and, quite frankly, useless) and my personal vote will mean very little but I will still vote as I always do. As things currently stand I am going to spoil my vote as I don't feel solace in any of the major parties' policies or ideas.

 

Youve basically highlighted the ridiculous nature of first past the post elections!

This momentum is false though imo. He is being treated by lots of corners are the Messiah. This is the worst Tory leadership in just about forever. I genuinely believe they have lost sight of their strategy and are just trying to focus on everyone. All of Corbyn's major support is coming from places where Labour have a real stronghold. I'm not surprised he's popular, he seems a genuine and down to earth guy. However I have seen nothing that has led me to believe he would be great at running the country (and this is compared to this current set of Tories!).

 

If Labour want to get back in power they need to shift more other to Centrist. I don't believe for one second the swing voters are going to vote for Labour in their droves until a more Centrist leaning leader takes charge.

 

I agree with what you're saying about Corbyn's support being concentrated in the wrong places, it's not going to be enough to make a difference where it matters, but I disagree that the way back into power for Labour is to go back to the centre. There isn't much further right the Tories can go without making themselves look unelectable, which they hate, so they will swing back eventually and Labour benefit from not looking like Tories. And Corbyn has done a lot to remind people that there is more to the political spectrum in this country than a dull centre and a far-right, for parties that have a chance of winning. It's reopened the narrative for a left-wing government in the future, even if it doesn't come now.

 

Any centrist for Labour right now, and we've seen this with the last remnants of the Blairites will look uninspired and the Tories won't let 'the last Labour government' go as a strapline. The reason Corbyn is getting anywhere is because he's different and inspiring. It won't win him this election, but five years on, if he runs again or has the right successor... The reason this isn't the 1992 to 2022's 1997 and therefore Labour should swing back to the centre is that people already know what a 'New Labour' government is like, it isn't new anymore and has too much baggage right now. Maybe in the late 2030s.

I also think you have to look at the context and it's clear the Blairites are now the conservatives in so far as they still think you can only win from the centre in 2017 which you cannot - it's a new era a era lost 2008 crash which requires new methods!

Jezzer is speaking in Glasgow city centre at 8am this morning, is this even worth getting out of bed for.

 

I can't imagine how exhausting blitzing so much of the country in a short space of time must be for the party leaders, especially now that there's *so* much focus on them over the party itself.

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Jezzer is speaking in Glasgow city centre at 8am this morning, is this even worth getting out of bed for.

 

I can't imagine how exhausting blitzing so much of the country in a short space of time must be for the party leaders, especially now that there's *so* much focus on them over the party itself.

 

But speaking in Glasgow won't win him any seats off the Tories, which he needs to do to win an overall majority

But speaking in Glasgow won't win him any seats off the Tories, which he needs to do to win an overall majority

And if he wins any Glaswegian seats off the SNP polling errors, at least locally, would make 2015 look like a minor hiccup.

BTW, how many General Elections have you been eligible to vote in?

 

For me, it's 8

 

(I was a couple of months too young to vote in the 1983 one). :(

 

I have voted in all those I was eligible to, though.

This will be my third General Election - 2010 was my first.

BTW, how many General Elections have you been eligible to vote in?

 

For me, it's 8

 

(I was a couple of months too young to vote in the 1983 one). :(

 

I have voted in all those I was eligible to, though.

 

I've been trying to remember who I voted for...

 

Probably LD tactically in 87 & 92, Lab 97 & 01, and UKIP ever since.

For me it's since 2001. Not much choice in NI have to vote SDLP in my constituency to keep a unionist out even tho I hate them!!

May can hardly be held responsible for acts of terrorism!

 

oooh she SO can!

 

cutting police numbers drastically (you cant monitor terrorists if normal policing is taking up 100% of your time) witness a warned terrorist getting into the country and murdering. Not enough police. May's fault.

 

May's response? Cut democratic civil rights which the UK helped create! Get police numbers back to the numbers they were at in 2010 BY 2022!! Threaten to stop international co-operation with Europe (who WARNED US about one of the murderers) in order to get a trade deal. She is a very stupid woman who believes in a right-wing government-controlled state. ever decision she has made since coming to power proves this, and she is utterly unwilling to accept any blame for her failure as one of the longest-running home secretaries for her part in not making us a safer society.

 

She is an awful awful human being. Even Thatcher, who was loathesome, was not so extreme. A less dumb version of Trump, which is why she won't condemn Trump's tweets about the Mayor of London. Just a horrible person.

oooh she SO can!

 

Has she been preaching radical Islam?

Has she been supplying guns & bombs to extremists?

Has she been leaking security details to terrorists?

 

No! Therefore she is *not* responsible for the actions of brainwashed dupes!

 

cutting police numbers drastically (you cant monitor terrorists if normal policing is taking up 100% of your time) witness a warned terrorist getting into the country and murdering. Not enough police. May's fault.

 

May's response? Cut democratic civil rights which the UK helped create! Get police numbers back to the numbers they were at in 2010 BY 2022!! Threaten to stop international co-operation with Europe (who WARNED US about one of the murderers) in order to get a trade deal. She is a very stupid woman who believes in a right-wing government-controlled state.

 

Let me get this straight- you want *more* police, yet a *less* government-controlled state? You do realise those aims are fundamentally incompatible, right?

 

Has she been supplying guns & bombs to extremists?

 

I guess it depends if you consider her role in securing arms contracts with Saudi Arabia to be 'supplying extremists' or not.

BREAKING. Diane Abbott replaced as Shadow Home Secretary role "for health reasons" LOL. More like because she's a total liability. Lyn Brown replaces her.

Edited June 7, 20178 yr by common sense