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Isn't YouTube even slower than Spotify? :lol: I'd much rather it wasn't included as it's a totally different form of consumption (video streaming as opposed to audio streaming).
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Yeah I would rather avoid a Harlem Shake situation with the UK charts. Best to keep YouTube off the charts IMO.
Isn't YouTube even slower than Spotify? :lol: I'd much rather it wasn't included as it's a totally different form of consumption (video streaming as opposed to audio streaming).

yeah, Rockabye and This Is What You Came For are still in the top 5 on YouTube. :mellow:

 

the top 10 this week is:

1. Shape Of You

2. Rockabye

3. Symphony

4. This Is What You Came For

5. Mama (Jonas Blue)

6. Power (Little Mix)

7. Galway Girl

8. It Ain't Me

9. Sign of the Times

10. Strip That Down

yeah, Rockabye and This Is What You Came For are still in the top 5 on YouTube. :mellow:

 

the top 10 this week is:

Did you get that from this site: https://uk.popnable.com/charts/top-40/week-130 ? I think that's the most viewed songs worldwide that are by UK artists, not the most viewed songs in the UK.

 

From Kworb's YouTube section - http://kworb.net/youtube/insights/uk.html , this is what it should be:

 

YouTube United Kingdom - Week ending 2017/06/22

 

1 = Ed Sheeran - Shape of You 23 1 (x23) 3,961,482 -7,739

2 NEW DJ Khaled - Wild Thoughts [Clean] (feat. Bryson Tiller & Rihanna) 1 2 (x1) 3,922,399

3 -1 DJ Khaled - I'm the One (feat. Justin Bieber, Quavo, Chance the Rapper & Lil Wayne) 7 2 (x6) 3,481,494 113,214

4 -1 Luis Fonsi - Despacito (Remix) (feat. Daddy Yankee & Justin Bieber) 6 3 (x3) 3,200,851 -2,733,972

5 -1 Luis Fonsi - Despacito (feat. Daddy Yankee) 6 3 (x3) 6,173,725 238,902

6 = French Montana - Unforgettable (feat. Swae Lee) 8 6 2,787,971 450,241

7 -2 Jason Derulo - Swalla (feat. Nicki Minaj & Ty Dolla $ign) 11 3 (x1) 2,452,169 13,018

8 2 Jonas Blue - Mama (feat. William Singe) 4 8 2,151,311 229,106

9 = Liam Payne - Strip That Down (feat. Quavo) 3 9 1,952,195 -27,817

10 -3 Clean Bandit - Symphony (feat. Zara Larsson) 12 2 (x3) 1,846,357 -252,362

11 = Charlie Puth - Attention 6 11 1,741,852 -15,171

12 -4 Little Mix - Power (feat. Stormzy) 2 8 1,730,857 -341,296

13 -1 Shawn Mendes - There's Nothing Holdin' Me Back 6 11 1,675,430 -57,770

14 = Clean Bandit - Rockabye (feat. Sean Paul & Anne-Marie) 33 1 (x7) 1,655,125 106,150

15 = Bruno Mars - That's What I Like 13 4 1,550,834 34,318

16 = J Hus - Did You See [Explicit] 7 10 1,546,482 86,160

17 NEW David Guetta - 2U (feat. Justin Bieber) 1 17 1,421,068

18 NEW Selena Gomez - Bad Liar 1 18 1,296,781

19 -1 The Chainsmokers - Something Just Like This (The Chainsmokers & Coldplay) 16 5 1,293,817 -49,360

20 -3 Ariana Grande - One Last Time 3 17 1,272,587 -185,224

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Been thinking about this more today and thought of two proposed tweaks that could work;

 

a) Only allow official singles and the most cherry picked song from an album to chart. So each time a single is released its accounted to the chart, with the old singles still being allowed to remain. Although I do agree with their method of the 3 tracks, this seems a more sensible approach.

 

b) Removing the daily limit of streams being added and place a permanent cap of 50 or 100 streams per person. As its mostly the younger generation that use spotify ect and im sure most will easily rack up 50 to 100 streams of a song within the space of 1-2 weeks, if not days if they were particularly in love with a certain song. Thus removing large sums of streaming further down the line and you'd get a more natural and faster progression in the chart, compared to song suddenly loosing half its sales in one week at random. I don't think reducing the ratio to 1:300 is going to really improve anything, especially if they are leaving 10 weeks for it to kick in.

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Adjusting the stream cap per listener sounds more sensible to me too, it'd keep the playing field even rather than applying two different streaming ratios simultaneously to the chart based on how long the songs have charted. Reducing it to 1:300 after a certain time might be worth considering for certifications though - I wonder what effect that would have.
They should just create an album-tracks chart for album-tracks and move them into the singles chart when they've been made into official singles

 

Thats a good idea. That way it frees up the singles chart for singles

Did you get that from this site: https://uk.popnable.com/charts/top-40/week-130 ? I think that's the most viewed songs worldwide that are by UK artists, not the most viewed songs in the UK.

 

From Kworb's YouTube section - http://kworb.net/youtube/insights/uk.html , this is what it should be:

 

YouTube United Kingdom - Week ending 2017/06/22

 

1 = Ed Sheeran - Shape of You 23 1 (x23) 3,961,482 -7,739

2 NEW DJ Khaled - Wild Thoughts [Clean] (feat. Bryson Tiller & Rihanna) 1 2 (x1) 3,922,399

3 -1 DJ Khaled - I'm the One (feat. Justin Bieber, Quavo, Chance the Rapper & Lil Wayne) 7 2 (x6) 3,481,494 113,214

4 -1 Luis Fonsi - Despacito (Remix) (feat. Daddy Yankee & Justin Bieber) 6 3 (x3) 3,200,851 -2,733,972

5 -1 Luis Fonsi - Despacito (feat. Daddy Yankee) 6 3 (x3) 6,173,725 238,902

6 = French Montana - Unforgettable (feat. Swae Lee) 8 6 2,787,971 450,241

7 -2 Jason Derulo - Swalla (feat. Nicki Minaj & Ty Dolla $ign) 11 3 (x1) 2,452,169 13,018

8 2 Jonas Blue - Mama (feat. William Singe) 4 8 2,151,311 229,106

9 = Liam Payne - Strip That Down (feat. Quavo) 3 9 1,952,195 -27,817

10 -3 Clean Bandit - Symphony (feat. Zara Larsson) 12 2 (x3) 1,846,357 -252,362

11 = Charlie Puth - Attention 6 11 1,741,852 -15,171

12 -4 Little Mix - Power (feat. Stormzy) 2 8 1,730,857 -341,296

13 -1 Shawn Mendes - There's Nothing Holdin' Me Back 6 11 1,675,430 -57,770

14 = Clean Bandit - Rockabye (feat. Sean Paul & Anne-Marie) 33 1 (x7) 1,655,125 106,150

15 = Bruno Mars - That's What I Like 13 4 1,550,834 34,318

16 = J Hus - Did You See [Explicit] 7 10 1,546,482 86,160

17 NEW David Guetta - 2U (feat. Justin Bieber) 1 17 1,421,068

18 NEW Selena Gomez - Bad Liar 1 18 1,296,781

19 -1 The Chainsmokers - Something Just Like This (The Chainsmokers & Coldplay) 16 5 1,293,817 -49,360

20 -3 Ariana Grande - One Last Time 3 17 1,272,587 -185,224

 

How come Despacito has 6,1M views being at #5 while number one has 3,9M?

How come Despacito has 6,1M views being at #5 while number one has 3,9M?
Combined figure of the two separate versions (original/remix)

 

I don't know all the raw numbers so this isn't 100% accurate, but if the rule is that only an artist's 3 biggest songs count each week, and that the 150>300 rule is permanent, the Sheeran situation would have played out like this:

 

Week 1: Shape/Castle debut on the charts, as per normal

Week 7: How Would You Feel debuts at #2

Week 9: Divide's release impacts, Galway debuts at #2, How Would You Feel vanishes and the rest of the album tracks don't chart

Week 13: Shape/Castle having had 3 weeks of declines post-album release both are penalised. Shape drops from #1 to out of the top 10, while Castle disappears completely, to be replaced by Perfect which debuts just outside the top 10. Galway also reaches #1 this week

Week 19: Galway now up to its 11th week and having declined those 3 previous weeks, gets the penalty and drops down out of the top 40, potentially replaced by What Do I Know

Week 23: Perfect now up to its 11th week and having declined those 3 previous weeks, gets the penalty and is removed from the chart, replaced by whichever of Galway/What Do I Know wasn't already back in the chart

(Week 25 is present)

Week 29/33: What Do I Know potentially has suffered 3 weeks of declines and is booted out of the chart, replaced by either Happier or Castle, depending on which is higher at that point

 

This pattern continues as long as there are yet-to-debut Sheeran tracks high enough to reach the chart, and of course there's any chance that an order change could cause even more re-entry/disappearance

 

I have always maintained that this specific scenario is an extreme perfect storm that I can scarcely imagine being repeated to the very degree, but this particular kerfuffle is all quite amusing to me.

 

Great analysis, Dircadirca.

 

The OCC have now updated the Chart Rules on their website- including a couple of things we didn't know before (in red)

 

5.0 Exclusions

 

5.1 Exclusion By Request

 

i) A UK rights owner/licensee may request the Official Charts Company to exclude a record from the Charts where the record is not generally available from the owner’s normal distributor (for example - deleted titles, or pre-release transactions caused by distribution leaks). The Official Charts Company may at its absolute discretion exclude a record from the Chart in such circumstances. A record that otherwise meets all eligibility criteria will not be excluded from the charts.

 

ii) A UK rights owner/licensee may elect to exclude the third bestselling single by an artist and replace it with their fourth bestselling track if the third bestselling track is outside of the Top 20 chart positions. Tracks excluded in this way cannot become chart eligible again for a period of six months.

 

iii) In exceptional circumstances, a UK rights owner/licensee may elect to exclude the second bestselling single by an artist and replace it with their fourth bestselling track if the second bestselling track is outside of the Top 20 chart positions on the Accelerated Chart Ratio. Tracks excluded in this way cannot become chart eligible again for a period of six months.

 

6.0 Accelerated Decline

 

6.1 Streaming Ratio

 

New releases will have a streaming to sales ratio of 150:1 (or as otherwise amended by the CSC) applied for the combining of chart eligible transactions. This ratio will be known as Standard Chart Ratio (SCR)

 

After 3 consecutive weeks of decline a stream to sale ratio of 300:1 (or as otherwise amended by the CSC) can be applied. This is also known as Accelerated Chart Ratio (ACR)

 

Decline is defined as negative week on week variance of combined sales and streams AND negative variance lower than the market rate of change week on week

 

6.2 Exceptions

 

Accelerated Chart Ratio cannot be applied to any product with fewer than 9 weeks on chart (ie. ACR can only be applied in its 10th week on the Top 100 chart, at the earliest).

 

6.3 Resets

 

i) Automatic Reset – a track on ACR can automatically return to SCR if its combined sales and stream total increases by 50% greater than the market change week on week.

 

ii) Manual Reset – In exceptional circumstances, where a track is being scheduled for promotion, a label may elect to manually reset a track to SCR. This manual reset is limited to two tracks per artist album, only where the track in question is outside the Top 100 and subject to one week’s notice being given from the releasing label that they wish to implement a manual reset. Manual reset shall be strictly subject to Official Charts and CSC approval.

Seems like there's a lot of things happening behind closed doors (exclusion requests, manual reset etc.) It will make the chart quite hard to predict.
Seems like there's a lot of things happening behind closed doors (exclusion requests, manual reset etc.) It will make the chart quite hard to predict.

 

Not to mention making singles sales even more difficult to collate, as I suspect overall sales will still be calculated at 100-1, regardless of exclusion rules based on weekly ones. :banghead: :coffee:

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Not to mention making singles sales even more difficult to collate, as I suspect overall sales will still be calculated at 100-1, regardless of exclusion rules based on weekly ones. :banghead: :coffee:

 

They need to stop combining sales and streams for "all-time" figures. It's meaningless now. Let's just have both figures.

I think they may be starting to realise that. I've noticed they often quote sales figures and streams separately in articles about an artists' top songs.
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Whilst controversial, I think those possible label interventions make sense (and remind us that the chart his here to serve the industry, not the punters!)

 

There's always going to be singles that perform unusually and need to be let off ACR. I suppose the Manual Reset is most likely to be used, in what will now be, rare occasions that an album track spends 10 weeks on the chart and then is later chosen to be a single. It would have SCR applied again only if it managed a 50% increase in sales week on week, which may be difficult for tracks that aren't given that sort of boost by an X Factor performance or advert or Christmas.

 

I am surprised that they haven't put in a rule that ACR cannot be applied whilst a single is still #1/top 5/top 10. Whilst it probably won't affect that many #1 singles, it will happen at some point, and it'll be a bit odd having the best-selling single of the week not being allowed to be #1.

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Those rules make it a bit awkward for Ed Sheeran's Perfect, if it's to be the next single, as James Masterton points out. It has to be ahead of his other 3 hits in order to chart at all, but outside the top 100 before they can do a manual reset!

My head hurts after reading those rules, I must have read it about 4 or 5 times to fully understand it.

 

I also agree they have to stop combining sales and streams

Those rules make it a bit awkward for Ed Sheeran's Perfect, if it's to be the next single, as James Masterton points out. It has to be ahead of his other 3 hits in order to chart at all, but outside the top 100 before they can do a manual reset!

by the time Perfect becomes a single it'll easily be ahead of his other hits once it gets an X Factor performance (I think they're waiting for Winter to push that as a single).

These rules get more and more complex every time I look at them :lol: I'll just sit back and trust the OCC to implement this correctly. xx

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