Just wondering, in the light of the people interviewed by Channel Four news not knowing what shape their own country is, do you guys who were educated in mainland Britain get educated in the geography and history of Northern Ireland?

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Just wondering, in the light of the people interviewed by Channel Four news not knowing what shape their own country is, do you guys who were educated in mainland Britain get educated in the geography and history of Northern Ireland?

Not in Scotland, that I can recall anyway. They were more preoccupied with the highland clearances and various wars of independence.

Not in Scotland, that I can recall anyway. They were more preoccupied with the highland clearances and various wars of independence.

 

 

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There was a small amount about the history of Northern Ireland (Bloody Sunday etc.) but most of my historical knowledge came from The Cranberries’ “Zombie”.

 

What will really depress you is that one of the people I work with thought that Sinn Féin was a person...

Edited December 2, 20177 yr by Doctor Blind

I learnt nothing of Irish history at school but I did give the subject up at the earliest opportunity.

There was a small amount about the history of Northern Ireland (Bloody Sunday etc.) but most of my historical knowledge came from The Cranberries’ “Zombie”.

 

What will really depress you is that one of the people I work with thought that Sinn Féin was a person...

 

 

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

Sorry, both of those statements are just hilarious, unintentionally so, perhaps.

I, for one, do not want a united Ireland. We cannot afford it and I dont want to have to deal with a country that has any sizable population who believe in creationism and some of their politicians are equally idiotic.

 

I don't believe in creationism but I don't think people believing in creationism is an issue I am sure a proportion of Christians everywhere believe in it, and from all denominations too.

 

More important is the silly blocking of gay marriage in NI against the tide of the Western world.

Edited December 2, 20177 yr by Snow❄Diploughmat

I learned Northern Irish history during GCSE, focusing largely on the 60s Civil Rights era through to the Anglo-Irish Agreement in the 80s by way of Bobby Sands and the hunger strikers. Although I was educated in Belfast, so you would expect it.

 

We learned about Irish history as well, although I didn't enjoy it as much, and some of it I struggled to understand - even now I'm unsure what side won the Irish Civil War of the 1920s.

The myth pervades other aspects of the zeitgeist - it's not just limited to the books.

 

This would be a myth that defies definition?

 

So how am I misunderstanding what you posted earlier? Feel free to enlighten....

 

What - your telepathy not working today? :w00t:

 

OK, I was a little unclear - I meant aspects that affect internal EU matters, rather than external ones like foreign policy.

 

Just wondering, in the light of the people interviewed by Channel Four news not knowing what shape their own country is, do you guys who were educated in mainland Britain get educated in the geography and history of Northern Ireland?

 

I don't recall it happening, but this would have been at the height of the IRA bombing campaign, so anything we might have been taught would most unlikely have been objective anyway.

Going off at a tangent...

 

Do people here recognise that it would be virtually impossible for voters to accept a reversal of Brexit in any other form than for the original question to be posed again, and for the answer to go the opposite way?

OK, I was a little unclear - I meant aspects that affect internal EU matters, rather than external ones like foreign policy.

 

 

So give some examples of how EU POLITICALLY affects the UK that is internal to the EU.

 

My observation is that the vast majority is economic or legal-based, and that politically if anything we have had a massive impact on how the EU works, rather than be a drowned voice badly-done-to by all those horrid foreigners. Sticking strictly to internal politics.

Just wondering, in the light of the people interviewed by Channel Four news not knowing what shape their own country is, do you guys who were educated in mainland Britain get educated in the geography and history of Northern Ireland?

 

 

The events people name to have learned about mostly hadn't happened when I was at school. They were called "news" rather than "history". Oops!

 

Other than that, no, Irish history wasn't mentioned once, most likely because it would have been regarded as undermining the UK governments of the times and teachers branded IRA sympathisers by the right-wing press. By the way, nobody had any love for an organisation that was murdering people left, right and centre and was determined to make bombing an everyday event for everyone in England and Northern Ireland.

So give some examples of how EU POLITICALLY affects the UK that is internal to the EU.

 

My observation is that the vast majority is economic or legal-based, and that politically if anything we have had a massive impact on how the EU works, rather than be a drowned voice badly-done-to by all those horrid foreigners. Sticking strictly to internal politics.

 

The EU overriding our courts is the main one that immediately springs to mind.

 

You might argue that is legal, rather than political, but to me there is very little different in this context.

 

The EU overriding our courts is the main one that immediately springs to mind.

 

You might argue that is legal, rather than political, but to me there is very little different in this context.

 

There is EVERY difference between the 2. The law is the law no matter what a government (any government) likes to think, and while they can change the law via Parliament (democracy) they are still answerable to it, and above politics. You might recall the recent case about trying to pass legislation about Leaving the EU without going through democratic (and legally required) Parliamentary approval.

 

Law courts uphold the law as it is written, they don't dance for politicians - if they did it would no longer be a democracy.

 

So, nothing to argue at all about it. Facts is facts.

 

PS The courts you refer to are the final court of appeals once someone doesn't like the answer given by British courts (and I doubt they over-ride them in most cases). EU courts for EU legislation, though, is utterly logical - you can't have non-EU courts arbitrarily telling them what to do when ruling on what the agreed (by the UK) legislation states.

 

So again, interpreting laws the UK has signed off already, and not politics.

I learnt nothing of Irish history at school but I did give the subject up at the earliest opportunity.

Same for me but from what i understand it wasn’t in any of the history courses offered by the SQA either and I’m not sure it is now.

 

I’m not surprised by this though. Scotland has its own weird like quasi proxy war through football and the huge problems they still have with sectarian violence by men with tiny cocks overcompensating about something they know nothing about, in a country they never been too and would fail to point out on a map of Ireland.

I did LOADSS about Ireland - nothin about the Scottish border wars with thr North East until university however, but we learned the general idea of which parts were Northumberland, which parts belonged to Scotland at times, who won what battle in the civil war etc. We did potato famine, Ulster, and some other stuff.

 

The EU overriding our courts is the main one that immediately springs to mind.

 

You might argue that is legal, rather than political, but to me there is very little different in this context.

Once more, where are your examples?

 

Oh and the whole deportations stuff is in violation of our law and EU law. Our Supreme Court also strikes them down.

 

The prisoners voting stuff is EU law the UK chose not to opt out of and implemented and is violating so the EU court has every right to point that obvious fact out because the UK government is breaking a law it implemented!

 

Most time the EU court passes things back to the national courts. The only time our courts are “overridden” is when they’ve not interpreted EU law correctly. For example, the Scottish Whiskey Federation took the Scottish Government to court over minimum pricing for alcohol (despite it having f*** all impact on the price of Whiskey) and when they didn’t like the answer in the Scottish courts they referred it to the EU court. The EU court told them it didn’t violate EU law and was a matter for the national courts.

 

They don’t interfere with domestic law. Their jurisdiction strictly covers EU law only. This makes sense. It ensures EU law is being interpreted the same way across all member states. It’s an important check & balance to the system. It’s also brought in to tell the EU when it’s overstepped it’s jurisdiction.

 

 

Curious, but do you get angry when the Supreme Court “overrides” the high court? Or is it just because your ideology can’t handle how a judicial system in a proper democracy works?

Once more, where are your examples?

 

That seems to be your standard response to almost every post I make. :rolleyes:

 

When I do provide them, you simply dismiss them out-of-hand as 'Daily Mail propaganda', so why should I even bother? :huh: