If we can all stay away from personal attacks on other members of this forum, and on misogynist remarks, that would be most appreciated.

 

Did that happen in a post that was subsequently deleted, as I don't recall seeing it?

Did that happen in a post that was subsequently deleted, as I don't recall seeing it?

 

Indeed.

Indeed.

 

OK.

 

It's a relief that it wasn't me upsetting someone for a change. ;)

i’ve found these local elections baffling; labour has failed because they couldn’t win the most monied of boroughs? labour couldn’t win ken/chels or westminster after the blair landslide so why would now be any different?

 

labour had an incongrousely good 2014 local election cycle; given the divisive climate currently it’s incredible labour are able to make ANY inroads given the dreadful media attitude

Not a problem that Labour couldn't win Wandsworth. Not a problem if the Tories manage to hang onto wealthy Remain-voting home county constituencies such as St Albans.

 

It's a problem if Labour lose Leave-voting provincial England though, because provincial England is much bigger. They need to win back Nuneaton, Clay Cross and Mansfield, and hold onto Crewe and Wrexham. There are *loads* of seats like these and some of them have been safe Labour for decades but risk turning away from them.

 

Which is why I fear it could get continue to get uglier for Labour's culturally Remain membership.

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If we can all stay away from personal attacks on other members of this forum, and on misogynist remarks, that would be most appreciated.

 

??

 

This is getting ridiculous :lol:

 

I call people of both genders twats. And I didn't mention anyone on here.

 

Nick Robinson is every bit as biased as her, but it wasn't his tweets that were the biased problem here.

 

I really don't understand why this forum is so hellbent on protecting the biased Beeb?

I really don't understand why this forum is so hellbent on protecting the biased Beeb?

 

Maybe because you're the only one here who thinks it is? :unsure:

As my posts showing what it does get deleted...

If a post of yours gets deleted, then it has been decided by the moderators of this forum to be not in keeping with the level of discussion we want in this forum, like crude attacks or baseless and potentially inflammatory claims. Do not fight it, accept it and try another tack. I trust their judgement.

 

It's nothing to do with whether the BBC is biased or not, what reason would we have to defend them even logically? Certain reporters of theirs do show their political leanings in their work frequently, which is a cause for concern but if there's anything on them (and compared to non-BBC reporters, they're scrutinised a lot more), it's more to do with their natural-for-survival incumbent bias than a concerted conspiracy theory to keep the right in power forever.

I actually have issues with the BBC's approach to neutrality but it really doesn't help that the only people actually going out of their way to address an alleged bias do so in the conspiratorial and hysterical manner that we all know and love.

 

It's probably fairly new to you if you live in England but it's been a bigger issue for longer in Scotland.

Edited May 6, 20187 yr by Harve

Let's start with Tory Laura's tweets:

 

Conservatives actually haven't lost the council. It is just now No Overall Control, so no loss.

 

Labour LOSES (whatever council it was) to No Overall Control.

 

Um.

 

Lib Dems SEIZE (check out the dynamic verb use AND the negative connotation behind it) control of whatever council it was.

 

Tories WIN/ GAIN control of ... Council.

 

And then them reporting Labour's second best results ever, Tories clinging on in some wcouncils by 80 votes, which could be explained away by vote denial measures the Republicans are bringing in, being a flop. Lower turnout of the demos who vote Labour in council elections PLUS UKIP 38% in local elections going to Tories, 1.8% in GE, mean that the BBC should be reporting this fairly. It is not.

 

When Tory Laura was challenged in her tweeting Tory bias ... She CHANGED SAID TWEETS SHOWING THAT HER TWEETS WERE BIASED. If you have any media or language studies however, you would have seen her bias from her language choice anyway.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44001529

 

 

and yet this article is entirely fair all-round despite her getting past threats from some labour members, and, fairly obviously, ongoing hostility. The problem with Momentum members is they all grumble and moan to each other inside a huge bubble and reinforce all of their already inbuilt bias and attitudes to the point they can't stand back and see petty grumbles for what they are and instead look at the bigger picture. Kuenssberg helpfully points out what those problems are for Labour. It's not bullshit made-up, it's something that labour refuses to face up to because either way they lose: either they aim for the Remainers and lose the midlands and parts of the North, or they go full-out Brexit (as Corbyn has always wanted) and lose the more liberal and young in other places.

 

Rather than slag off the BBC (McDonut was happily putting over his point of view on Marr, who didnt challenge anyone particularly - not because of his inbuilt bias, probs more due to the upcoming hospital op and past stroke which left him partially-paralysed), try getting Labour to actually DO something to help the current situations of many citizens and non-citizens and try to impress by leading rather than whinging and blaming everyone else like spoilt children who don't get their own way.....

 

Given the huge massive Jupiter-sized blockbuster bollocksing-ups of the nasty, cruel, greedy Tories over the past 2 years it should be piece of piss to score wins out of them - like Windrush which could have been raised before the general election as a means to crucify the lying Tory toads, and especially May, and actually help British citizens to boot (the actual right thing to do).

 

Now say thank you to David Lammy for doing Corbyn's job and making May look like an old evil heartless robot...

 

 

I pointed out on the night that Tories invariably "gain control" of councils whereas the other parties "seize power" etc., suggesting the use of stormtroopers. That has been going on for a very long time - long before Laura Kuenssberg joined the BBC.

As Have says, welcome to the party. You're a few years late so all the good seats have been taken by Scottish Nationalists. Blatant manipulation of the facts by the media here has been going on for years.

 

The Herald cover this week featured some selective angles on a Pro-Indy march: https://twitter.com/bigteddrummer/status/993020935824388098

 

This past week the media has been whipping up a storm on the instruction of the ScotCons about baby boxes (an idea that they for some reason utterly detest). The Sun included a radical video showing that yes, a cardboard box is indeed flammable. Revolutionary bit of research that.

 

BBC Scotland however are the kings of selectively quoting to fit an agenda: https://twitter.com/PhantomPower14/status/979719441809395712

 

 

As always we get to be the trailblazer.

I pointed out on the night that Tories invariably "gain control" of councils whereas the other parties "seize power" etc., suggesting the use of stormtroopers. That has been going on for a very long time - long before Laura Kuenssberg joined the BBC.

 

There is an actual article out there showing how senior positions within the BBC have been handed out by Tories and involve long-held Tory supporters - now that would be a much better way of providing evidence that the Tories have been systematically using the BBC for it's own ends and a proper investigation demanded by Labour might be argued to be justified. Though they would have to get whistleblowers to come up with proof that their work is being directed from above politically.

 

But then again, the Mirror owners say they can run 2 papers with conflicting political views because journalists can be professional. British press generally suggests otherwise though...

As Have says, welcome to the party. You're a few years late so all the good seats have been taken by Scottish Nationalists. Blatant manipulation of the facts by the media here has been going on for years.

 

The Herald cover this week featured some selective angles on a Pro-Indy march: https://twitter.com/bigteddrummer/status/993020935824388098

 

This past week the media has been whipping up a storm on the instruction of the ScotCons about baby boxes (an idea that they for some reason utterly detest). The Sun included a radical video showing that yes, a cardboard box is indeed flammable. Revolutionary bit of research that.

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BBC Scotland however are the kings of selectively quoting to fit an agenda: https://twitter.com/PhantomPower14/status/979719441809395712

As always we get to be the trailblazer.

And it was the Labour lot that strenuously defended the BBC during #indyref calling us cybernats. I still sympathise with them though

There is an actual article out there showing how senior positions within the BBC have been handed out by Tories and involve long-held Tory supporters - now that would be a much better way of providing evidence that the Tories have been systematically using the BBC for it's own ends and a proper investigation demanded by Labour might be argued to be justified. Though they would have to get whistleblowers to come up with proof that their work is being directed from above politically.

 

But then again, the Mirror owners say they can run 2 papers with conflicting political views because journalists can be professional. British press generally suggests otherwise though...

It's also noticeable how many vacancies at Tory Central Office are filled by people from the BBC.

 

As for the Mirror/Express, as the only two mid-market tabloids are the Mail and Express, I don't see how the Express moving leftwards would be bad for political plurality.

I don't understand why papers need to be left or right. It just turns news into propaganda.

I don't understand why papers need to be left or right. It just turns news into propaganda.

You might find fewer people wanting to own papers if they couldn't use them for propaganda purposes :lol:

And it was the Labour lot that strenuously defended the BBC during #indyref calling us cybernats. I still sympathise with them though

I don't. ScotLab are vile and Corbyn is a weak spineless arse who is needlessly partisan towards the SNP in spite of the majority of his manifesto coming from the SNP's record in government and has a maddening lack of principles or positions on Brexit.

 

You might find fewer people wanting to own papers if they couldn't use them for propaganda purposes :lol:

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I don't. ScotLab are vile and Corbyn is a weak spineless arse who is needlessly partisan towards the SNP in spite of the majority of his manifesto coming from the SNP's record in government and has a maddening lack of principles or positions on Brexit.

something something free-market economies at work something something state shouldn't intervene to save dying industries something something

I agree about Corbyn and Labour in general, their stance on Brexit is pathetic and I have no idea why the majority of those Anti Brexit in England and Wales don't smell the coffee but I sympathize with them about BBC Bias. Maybe I'm completely wrong but I'm sure I read a post by you saying you were thinking of joining Labour, what changed? :o