election. Assuming that Tories are free to take the risk of another election if they demand a Hard Brexit with no deals. If that is the only option on the table then there is absolutely nothing to lose by following any other course of action, including another general election. I'm assuming everyone will be totally-pissed-off that the split Tories inflicted their misery on the nation and well over 2 years later still haven't got a clue themselves about Brexit, never mind the nation or the EU....

 

I have no idea why I wrote 'by-election' there. :wacko:

 

This all goes back to the belief of politicians (and not just the Tories) that there was no way that Remain would lose the referendum, so no real preparations were made for a loss, despite the signs being clearly there.

 

IMO another GE would just result in another hung parliament, with Labour a little closer, but still with fewer seats than the Tories.

 

 

So the Tory party have all "agreed" on what is essentially the softest brexit possible.

 

The prime minister had gathered her 26 cabinet ministers together at her country residence to try and resolve differences over the shape of the UK's relations with the EU and break the current deadlock with the EU.

 

The main details of the "Chequers statement" are as follows:

 

The UK would accept continuing "harmonisation" with EU rules on the trade in goods, covering only those necessary to ensure frictionless trade

 

Parliament would have the final say over how these rules are incorporated into UK law, retaining the right to refuse to do so

 

There will be different arrangements for trade in services, including financial products, with greater "regulatory flexibility" and "strong reciprocal arrangements"

 

Freedom of movement as it stands will come to an end but a "mobility framework" will ensure UK and EU citizens can continue to travel to each other's territories and apply for study and work

 

A new customs arrangement will be phased in, with the goal of "a combined customs territory"

 

The UK will be able to control its own tariffs and develop an independent trade policy

 

The jurisdiction of the European Court of Justice will end but the UK will pay regard to its decisions in areas where common rules were in force.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44747444

 

Good news, although now it's up to the EU on whether or not to accept the proposals.

Yes.

 

Labour will easily win against those DISGUSTING landed gentry aristocratic corrupt alt right Tories!! Last result had Labour win by over SIXTY PERCENT YESTERDAY IN A GAIN FROM THE LANDED GENTRY!! Tories OUT NOW!!

 

ALSO YASSS SOFT BREXIT HURR WE COME!! The proposal coming now is for a soft Brexit. This begins the movement towards a second vote and either no Brexit or at LEAST a COMPROMISE instead of acting like 51 vs 49% two nation vote is a god given holy unquestionable result! A 50 50 vote, when there should be safegiards really in a union, returning a compromise is something NO ONE can argue with.

I have no idea why I wrote 'by-election' there. :wacko:

 

This all goes back to the belief of politicians (and not just the Tories) that there was no way that Remain would lose the referendum, so no real preparations were made for a loss, despite the signs being clearly there.

 

IMO another GE would just result in another hung parliament, with Labour a little closer, but still with fewer seats than the Tories.

 

 

Wrong.

 

They are on at LEAST 50% now and Tories will never win a Scottish seat again after those last flukes, sooo the Landed Gentry are OVER

That’s somewhat denying the reality on the ground. The Scottish boarders and the North East of Scotland are still quite firmly Tory areas and they’re thick enough to buy the Tory lies that it’s everyone’s fault but theirs when shit goes wrong. I’ll bet that when the UK government f***s over the Scottish fishers, Ruth Davidson will blame the SNP and Independence for it. Ruthie yells “independence” more often than the entire SNP party combined multiplied by the Scottish Greens so the Unionists hold their nose and vote Tory because the union is more important than anything, and I mean anything, else to these people

So the Tory party have all "agreed" on what is essentially the softest brexit possible.

 

The prime minister had gathered her 26 cabinet ministers together at her country residence to try and resolve differences over the shape of the UK's relations with the EU and break the current deadlock with the EU.

 

The main details of the "Chequers statement" are as follows:

 

The UK would accept continuing "harmonisation" with EU rules on the trade in goods, covering only those necessary to ensure frictionless trade

 

Parliament would have the final say over how these rules are incorporated into UK law, retaining the right to refuse to do so

 

There will be different arrangements for trade in services, including financial products, with greater "regulatory flexibility" and "strong reciprocal arrangements"

 

Freedom of movement as it stands will come to an end but a "mobility framework" will ensure UK and EU citizens can continue to travel to each other's territories and apply for study and work

 

A new customs arrangement will be phased in, with the goal of "a combined customs territory"

 

The UK will be able to control its own tariffs and develop an independent trade policy

 

The jurisdiction of the European Court of Justice will end but the UK will pay regard to its decisions in areas where common rules were in force.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44747444

 

Good news, although now it's up to the EU on whether or not to accept the proposals.

So it's taken a little over two years for one government supposedly to agree on what deal they want. That leaves a few months for 27 other governments to agree. What could possibly go wrong?

Wrong.

 

They are on at LEAST 50% now and Tories will never win a Scottish seat again after those last flukes, sooo the Landed Gentry are OVER

 

MY evidence to the contrary is based on scientifically conducted opinion polls - what is yours for the above claims?

So it's taken a little over two years for one government supposedly to agree on what deal they want. That leaves a few months for 27 other governments to agree. What could possibly go wrong?

 

But Remainers are always telling us that no-one would benefit from a Hard Brexit, so surely it would be in no-one's interest to be too obstructive of the above deal? ;)

I have no idea why I wrote 'by-election' there. :wacko:

 

This all goes back to the belief of politicians (and not just the Tories) that there was no way that Remain would lose the referendum, so no real preparations were made for a loss, despite the signs being clearly there.

 

IMO another GE would just result in another hung parliament, with Labour a little closer, but still with fewer seats than the Tories.

 

It's not up to REMAINERS to come up with a BREXIT plan. BREXITEERS should have come up with a plan years ago. That they haven't shows how shit they are at preparing for reality. Attempting to blame Remainers (and before long the EU) is just diverting attention from the facts that even with government resources at hand they are still f***ing useless. That they said we could have our cake and eat it continues to be a blatant lie and the Russian Pals controlling one of the Leave campaigns are pissing themselves laughing at how easy it was to base a campaign entirely on lies.

 

I don't care what an election campaign result brings. We can change our mind at a later date. The last election was the voters rejecting May's begging for a large majority so she could force a Hard Brexit on us. The voters have spoken and she didn't get it. She and the Brexiteers just seem to have a problem with that concept.

 

Lovely headline in the Daily Mail today: "Free Come" followed by a lower line "On England" - are they saying we should w*** all over the country? Though I am puzzled by the final line "Hat Inside". Presumably to celebrate that?

But Remainers are always telling us that no-one would benefit from a Hard Brexit, so surely it would be in no-one's interest to be too obstructive of the above deal? ;)

 

Since when do 27 countries have to fit in with our 2-year-delayed "final" decisions and try and give us our cake and eat it? October is the deadlin, tick tock tick tock.

MY evidence to the contrary is based on scientifically conducted opinion polls - what is yours for the above claims?

 

ACTUAL results and not Tory Boy opinion polls that are so corrupt one worked with Farage to give false data for £

 

Opinion polls working for the Tories had them up by 400 SEATS AND WINNING THE FRIGGIN NORTH EAST LAST TIME!!! Opinion polls bought by the Democrats put Hillary at 28% MORE in Michigan vs Trump AND Bernie to make opponents give up, stay home or bandwagon. The reality was VERY different.

 

Pull the other corrupt landed gentry neoliberal one!

 

Oops just heard this deal separates the 4 freedoms meaning it will not be agreed upon. This means we are coming towards a second people's vote or just a cancelled Brexit altogether!!

 

I repeat: Brexiters have had FORTY YEARS to come up with a plan and since 1998 for an alternative solution to NI. Where are these plans?? The logical remain voters like ourselves do not want to leave, so are under no obligation to come up with tour plans for you. Surely if this was oh so WONDERFUL a solution for anyone not super rich like Mogg and Farage, there would alreasy be ready made solutions anyway?

ACTUAL results and not Tory Boy opinion polls that are so corrupt one worked with Farage to give false data for £

 

Opinion polls working for the Tories had them up by 400 SEATS AND WINNING THE FRIGGIN NORTH EAST LAST TIME!!!

 

The ones right before the election didn't - they closely reflected the actual result.

 

Which actual results suggested a national vote share for Labour of 50% - simple question...

 

 

 

 

Last council elections had huge swings with results past 50% for Labour. Yesterday's council election had 60% for Labout and a collapsed UKIP/ Tory ultra right wing vote, PLUS the fact that, despite Tory attempts at voter suppression/ rejecting the vote for 16 year olds, plus a one party state fascist media, we still live in something that at least resembles a democracy. They are out. No government, not even one upheld by right wing state aparatus including right wing corrupt polling companies, lasts forever.

Last council elections had huge swings with results past 50% for Labour. Yesterday's council election had 60% for Labout and a collapsed UKIP/ Tory ultra right wing vote,

 

I take it you never studied Statistics then - specifically balanced samples, and sample sizes?

 

Also, in local elections, there are almost invariably issues which can affect voting patterns in a contrary way to the national picture.

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I repeat: they are corrupt arms of the right wing and not to be trusted.

I repeat: they are corrupt arms of the right wing and not to be trusted.

 

There seems to be a pattern emerging with you : namely - any result you don't like cannot possible be genuine, but a result of corruption, false polling, etc. :rolleyes:

But when they actually ARE results of corruption and false polling, as we see from their MASSIVE discrepancies with the real vote, following the right wing narrative, PLUS the whole Farage corruption/ Democratic bandwagon corruption in the US, it is obvious. The laat council elections saw Tories SCRAPING through on seats where they brought in Republican fascist voter suppression. Of course the BBC spun it for the Tories, as the glorious Tory councils were SEIZED by Labour, and the no overall control Tory councils were "actually not lost", but the couple Labour ones that went that way, um, were SMASHED...

 

We have: voter suppression, a one party state media north korea could be proud of, polling companies in pockets of the right, and Tory lies unchallenged. Our democracy is in danger and they will do anything to cling on to power. You trust them too much.

But when they actually ARE results of corruption and false polling, as we see from their MASSIVE discrepancies with the real vote, following the right wing narrative, PLUS the whole Farage corruption/ Democratic bandwagon corruption in the US, it is obvious. The laat council elections saw Tories SCRAPING through on seats where they brought in Republican fascist voter suppression. Of course the BBC spun it for the Tories, as the glorious Tory councils were SEIZED by Labour, and the no overall control Tory councils were "actually not lost", but the couple Labour ones that went that way, um, were SMASHED...

 

We have: voter suppression, a one party state media north korea could be proud of, polling companies in pockets of the right, and Tory lies unchallenged. Our democracy is in danger and they will do anything to cling on to power. You trust them too much.

 

Oh come on - there are less delusional people than you being held in Broadmoor! :rolleyes:

How so?

Last council elections had huge swings with results past 50% for Labour. Yesterday's council election had 60% for Labout and a collapsed UKIP/ Tory ultra right wing vote, PLUS the fact that, despite Tory attempts at voter suppression/ rejecting the vote for 16 year olds, plus a one party state fascist media, we still live in something that at least resembles a democracy. They are out. No government, not even one upheld by right wing state aparatus including right wing corrupt polling companies, lasts forever.

The overall totals may possibly have given Labour over 50%. However, after adjusting them to allow for the areas that didn't have elections they got well under 50%. The number of local by-elections on any other given Thursday is far too small to give anything close to a fair estimate of the parties' standing nationally.