Knew this would happen. Next will be airplay added & then tweets, and finally any time someone mentions a song.

And if a video that isn't the official version ends up becoming the most viewed through other factors, why should that disqualify it?

 

Yeah this is a good point. Like with M22's First Time there isn't even an official video (the second result on YT is quite clearly a fake), so that would have absolutely no chance right?

Gutted, absolutely gutted. :(

GOOD, whether it'd slow down or speed up the chart, Youtube is a major consumable, as long as they put in ACR-like rules that should be fine.

Not keen on this distinction. At the top level, the standardisation for moving what used to be VEVO to 'official artist channels' seems good, but Youtube still has a long way to go to put every artist on an even playing field and this means (if I understand it right, as otherwise it wouldn't be consistent) that promotion channels and label channels (e.g. Fueled By Ramen's channel, MrSuicideSheep) would not count despite hosting official videos for a variety of artists. Now the songs on here are not often the sorts of artists that are likely to break the chart, sure, but there is no such distinction on Spotify, where the equivalent of these channels is songs being on different playlists.

 

And if a video that isn't the official version ends up becoming the most viewed through other factors, why should that disqualify it?

I suppose they're just trying to avoid a Soko type situation (remember her going top 10 in US because her song was used as background music for a viral video?). Hopefully this just means fan-made videos don't count and actual music promotion channels do.

I guess BTS are on their way to getting an official UK Top 10 hit then! (Also BLACKPINK *.*)

 

YT streams will benefit Little Mix a lot so I'm not angry at this :kink:

 

However, I don't agree with adding video streams (unless they're paid for or something). It's interesting that they've split premium members and free streaming ratios. A good call imo as I feel like it's gonna be a bit less about Hot Hits/payola playlists now and more about what the public are searching for.

I suppose they're just trying to avoid a Soko type situation (remember her going top 10 in US because her song was used as background music for a viral video?). Hopefully this just means fan-made videos don't count and actual music promotion channels do.

 

I don't see that as a problem. Viral videos are short-lived things by nature and it leaves a marker on the charts of when that, pretty culturally significant for the time, video happened. A modern replacement for old novelty hits in my view.

Definitely a positive change to increase the influence of paid for streaming. It will be interesting to see how dramatically this will effect the chart given a good percentage of Spotify consumption isn't through premium!

 

At least the inclusion of YouTube is only through 'official' channels but like Iz said I don't think they've quite made the distinction of this clear enough, with labels and promotional channels maybe being an exception given most emerging songs will come through this method as well as official uploads. I'm not as bothered by streaming of videos via Spotify, Apple Music etc. being included. The only good thing is that at least YouTube should be at 1:600 then given it's free?

 

I do think ACR should have been revised as well but we'll see how it goes with the new ratios/inclusions first.

I'd think a majority of premium streams are still from the playlists tbh. There's no reason why listening habits should be any different between the two (apart from maybe premium users being more likely to stream full albums than free users, in which case the premium/free split will only have the noticeable impact of making album tracks do better). I don't think there's any way to make the playlists less dominant over the chart because people searching out a specific song that isn't on the playlists are just never going to outnumber the people that do use the playlists, given the near infinity of songs that people can choose to listen to.

 

YouTube streams, on the other hand, should be rather less dominated by playlists. So that's a good move. YouTube is just as valid a music streaming service as Spotify etc. and should have been included a long time ago imo.

Does this mean that views on normal YouTube will be counted at 1:600 then?

Does this mean that views on normal YouTube will be counted at 1:600 then?

Yes. But if you are paying for YouTube Music then it will count at 1:100.

 

I've got a new FAQ thread up by the way so hopefully that explains it in brief.

Surely they wouldn't implement this unless they knew that it would reduce the sameness of the charts? That's what I'm hoping anyway. (and I think certain indie songs do well on YouTube so that's a bonus)

Not keen on this distinction. At the top level, the standardisation for moving what used to be VEVO to 'official artist channels' seems good, but Youtube still has a long way to go to put every artist on an even playing field and this means (if I understand it right, as otherwise it wouldn't be consistent) that promotion channels and label channels (e.g. Fueled By Ramen's channel, MrSuicideSheep) would not count despite hosting official videos for a variety of artists. Now the songs on here are not often the sorts of artists that are likely to break the chart, sure, but there is no such distinction on Spotify, where the equivalent of these channels is songs being on different playlists.

 

And if a video that isn't the official version ends up becoming the most viewed through other factors, why should that disqualify it?

 

http://www.officialcharts.com/charts/video-streaming-chart/

 

El Chombo's 'Dame Tu Cosita' is #30 on this chart (ikonek) and that's only on YouTube with an Ultra Music upload so I presume they're counting official uploads by labels etc. as well.

Oh and Shotgun isn't Top 100 on the Youtube chart, eek.

Ugh why couldn't they have implemented this like a year ago, reputation would've slayed so much :/

Oh and Shotgun isn't Top 100 on the Youtube chart, eek.

It is it's at #7?

I'd think a majority of premium streams are still from the playlists tbh. There's no reason why listening habits should be any different between the two (apart from maybe premium users being more likely to stream full albums than free users, in which case the premium/free split will only have the noticeable impact of making album tracks do better). I don't think there's any way to make the playlists less dominant over the chart because people searching out a specific song that isn't on the playlists are just never going to outnumber the people that do use the playlists, given the near infinity of songs that people can choose to listen to.

 

YouTube streams, on the other hand, should be rather less dominated by playlists. So that's a good move. YouTube is just as valid a music streaming service as Spotify etc. and should have been included a long time ago imo.

 

That is probably true but at least premium users can skip songs they don't like in playlists, free users are stuck with whatever comes on. There will be loads of songs that get streams they probably don't deserve because people can't skip them, so it doesn't necessarily reflect the true popularity of a track.

 

I listen to all the main playlists but I skip a lot too, so it is only right imo that paid user streams are given more weight in the chart as it does closer represent what songs are actually really well liked. So it should hopefully result in a more accurate chart.

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Chart forum bingo: OCC rule change gets a response speculating on Ed Sheeran abusing it for some reason. Check.

Chart forum bingo: OCC rule change gets a response speculating on Ed Sheeran abusing it for some reason. Check.

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Yes. But if you are paying for YouTube Music then it will count at 1:100.

 

I've got a new FAQ thread up by the way so hopefully that explains it in brief.

Hmm so Girls Like You which was the most viewed video last week would get around 3,933 sales currently or if they were all premium 23,600 sales. So it looks like at least for the minute that the most viewed video might get around 6,000 sales or so? I guess it help boost songs like Freaky Friday then but at least for the moment not make a massive difference. I don't think having YouTube in the chart is a good idea but at least this chart seems to move around a bit. Good to see Praise The Lord rising up on there and hopefully it should help Apeshit get into the top 40 singles (my two favourite songs at the moment :wub: )

 

Glad we have a different ratio for paid for and ad-supported streams so fingers crossed this'll help keep things fresh and less predictable though like people have said there are plenty of Hot Hits background music zombies on the paid for service as well. Thought I guess guitar based acts will unfortunately have to get used to getting into the top 20 albums and out of the top 200 the next week then :lol: