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And you are deluded if you think they aren't useless....

 

But, hey glad to hear you think they are doing exactly what you voted for, at least someone is happy.....

 

I would have said 'incompetent' myself - but I still believe Labour under Corbyn would be even worse.

 

They are very definitely *not* doing what I voted for - their version of Brexit is so watered down that it's like a glass of OJ so diluted that you cannot even see the colour.

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I would have said 'incompetent' myself - but I still believe Labour under Corbyn would be even worse.

 

They are very definitely *not* doing what I voted for - their version of Brexit is so watered down that it's like a glass of OJ so diluted that you cannot even see the colour.

 

splitting hairs.

 

useless: incompetent

 

incompetent: useless

 

I say potato and you say potahto.

I say tomato and you say tomayto.

here's a response to a Liam Fox-style rubbish about everything being fine following a Hard Brexit from an experienced WTO negotiator who is literally exasperated by the bullshit being spouted by people who know nothing about anything, have been lying for years about it.

 

"@FraserNelson

A no-deal Brexit is nothing to fear, says Prof David Collins. A tried-and-tested alternative to an EU trade deal - the world trade system - is ready and waiting: https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/08/whos-afraid-of-the-wto/ …

 

Dmitry Grozoubinski

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1/ Hi. I've negotiated in the WTO, unlike the author of this article who appears to have read the title of some WTO agreements and inferred a system which does not exist.

 

This article is incorrect on every count.

 

I am so sick of writing these threads I could vomit.

2/ The SPS and TBT agreements call for technical regulations to be evidence based, to serve a policy objective and to minimally distort trade.

 

They do NOT prevent, for example, the EU from requiring certification by an EU authority (which, absent an agreement, UKs won't be).

3/ To use a contrived example, the amount of lead paint on a toy shipped to Europe won't change.

 

However, UK issued documentation stating the toys lead content will no longer be accepted because the regulations require an EU entity issued certificate.

 

4/ The WTO cannot prevent this and it certainly cannot force the EU to accept goods bearing a certificate it no longer trusts.

 

5/ Of the hundreds of complaints raised in the Committee on Technical Barriers to Trade or SPS Committee, only a tiny fraction go to dispute resolution, where they tend to go nowhere.

 

I don't care what your textbook says about how trade law is meant to work. This is how it does.

 

6/ The Trade Facilitation Agreement is even more toothless. It's a largely unenforceable best endeavor agreement to encourage some lowest common denominator best practice in goods clearance.

 

I covered the TFA for Australia guys. I WISH it was some all powerful codex. It's not.

 

7/ Even if the letter of the WTO rules were 100% on the UKs side (it's not), the very slow and uncertain pace of WTO 'enforcement' renders the whole thing a little moot.

 

Disputes take years and can't force regulatory changes, only allow tariff retaliation.

 

8/ No one is disputing that eventually, the UK will be able to trade under WTO rules.

 

The problem with the 'No deal will be fine' rhetoric is that it may convince government and businesses not to put in place the hundreds of preparations required to manage the long transition.

 

9/ This all also glosses over the many areas the WTO doesn't even pretend to cover.

 

Everything from certification for pilots to lisencing for truck drivers and foreign presence for banks is well beyond the WTO Agreements.

 

10/

Stop saying stupid things.

Stop writing stupid articles.

You can be concerned about the practicalities of Brexit without being a Remainer.

The WTO won't save you. This stuff needs a fix."

splitting hairs.

 

useless: incompetent

 

incompetent: useless

 

I say potato and you say potahto.

I say tomato and you say tomayto.

 

That rhyme only really works when spoken aloud. :)

Going off at a tangent : I bet the Tories are regretting that line in their leaflet 'This is your decision - we will implement what you decide' - they really painted themselves into a corner with that! :lol:
well they did ask the electorate for a majority to make sure of Brexit, and the electorate told them to piss off. Even facing Corbyn.....

Liam Fox 2 years ago: A Free Trade Agreement between the UK and the EU should be the easiest in the history of the world

 

Liam Fox now: The EU are being intransigent, it can only lead to a Hard Brexit.

 

 

So, Liam Fox, you were completely wrong and mislead everyone? Plus, you've had 2 years to come up with marvellous trade deals with the rest of the world, as promised. How's that going? The EU hjavent been involved much in negotiating due to the Tory infighting for 2 years. Are you completely behind the Chequers plan? Why aren't you saying how marvellous it is instead of slagging off the EU who have barely had time to read through it?

 

Oh, that's right, because you're a fraud when it comes to Brexit, or else you are incompetent - take your pick, all I"m doing is repeating your own words, and reporting on your previous statements. Taken any mates on confidential government business lately?

Liam Fox 2 years ago: A Free Trade Agreement between the UK and the EU should be the easiest in the history of the world

 

Liam Fox now: The EU are being intransigent, it can only lead to a Hard Brexit.

So, Liam Fox, you were completely wrong and mislead everyone? Plus, you've had 2 years to come up with marvellous trade deals with the rest of the world, as promised. How's that going? The EU hjavent been involved much in negotiating due to the Tory infighting for 2 years. Are you completely behind the Chequers plan? Why aren't you saying how marvellous it is instead of slagging off the EU who have barely had time to read through it?

 

Oh, that's right, because you're a fraud when it comes to Brexit, or else you are incompetent - take your pick, all I"m doing is repeating your own words, and reporting on your previous statements. Taken any mates on confidential government business lately?

I think it is outrageous that so many people don't have the courtesy to refer to him by his full title - disgraced former Defence Secretary Dr Liam Fox.It's just a simple matter of being polite.

well they did ask the electorate for a majority to make sure of Brexit, and the electorate told them to piss off. Even facing Corbyn.....

 

That was more surprising to me than even the Brexit result.

The disgraced former Defense secretary “Dr” Liam Fox is an utter failure as a trade secretary and a national embarrassment. Quite how the media can sleep at night letting them get away with these outrageous claims and 180’s I’ll never know
I would have said 'incompetent' myself - but I still believe Labour under Corbyn would be even worse.

 

They are very definitely *not* doing what I voted for - their version of Brexit is so watered down that it's like a glass of OJ so diluted that you cannot even see the colour.

 

Worse than bumbling Etonian toffs obsessed with power and rule, not in it for the country/ people, and who want to earn as much money as they can by asset stripping and stealing??

Liam Fox 2 years ago: A Free Trade Agreement between the UK and the EU should be the easiest in the history of the world

 

Liam Fox now: The EU are being intransigent, it can only lead to a Hard Brexit.

So, Liam Fox, you were completely wrong and mislead everyone? Plus, you've had 2 years to come up with marvellous trade deals with the rest of the world, as promised. How's that going? The EU hjavent been involved much in negotiating due to the Tory infighting for 2 years. Are you completely behind the Chequers plan? Why aren't you saying how marvellous it is instead of slagging off the EU who have barely had time to read through it?

 

Oh, that's right, because you're a fraud when it comes to Brexit, or else you are incompetent - take your pick, all I"m doing is repeating your own words, and reporting on your previous statements. Taken any mates on confidential government business lately?

Thickie Fox's remarks have helped to fuel a sharp fall in the value of the pound. There was a time when this would lead to calls for a minister's resignation but now it's just treated as perfectly normal.

A Guide To Brexit So Far (thanks are not needed, honest, it's my pleasure to find intelligent people who can call out liars)...

 

"James O'Brien

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Brexit: An evolution of deceit & dissembling.

1. "They need us more than we need them."

2. "It should be the easiest deal in human history."

3. "No deal is better than a bad deal."

4. "They have to believe we'll walk away."

5. "Shit. They believed us. We're screwed. Blame them.""

 

I hate the suggestion of using the Orkney Islands. Bitch please, we ain't coming with you off that cliff.
That is without doubt the best argument yet I've seen made for leaving the EU, that has actually cheered me up so thanks for that!

Glad to help!

I've already spent a LOT of euros on train tickets and hostels, and will have to convert more for two months' rent when I get out to France. This is NOT the time for the £ to be in freefall jasdkjd.

Great news from Liam Fix on trade deals!

 

"Dr Liam Fox MP

 

BREAKING NEWS: following ongoing UK government effort, Taiwan is preparing to open its market to British pork for the first time. The agreement is expected to be worth more than £50m to 🇬🇧 farmers over the next 5 years #FreeTradeUK #FoodisGREAT @UKinTaiwan"

 

(ps it's an EU deal we lose if we Hard Brexit. He doesn't mention that....)

Of course it’s an EU deal the Tories are taking credit for. f*** sake it’s no wonder people don’t know why the EU is a good thing
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