OK then, my answer is yes, with the proviso that their views should be judged in the context of when their opinions were formed, rather than the present day.

 

No, sorry. Someone who was homophobic or racist in the 70s and is still homophobic or racist now doesn't get a free pass.

 

Times change, situations change and minds should be open to change.

 

The old "it was different in my day" is a poor excuse.

The only trend that seems to be emerging so far, is that both main parties are taking back support from the others in about equal numbers.

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Latest YouGov on Remain/Leave voters - looks like the Leave vote is uniting.... the question is, will the Remain vote do so too, and what impact will that have in our archaic FPTP system?

 

[Remainers]

LAB: 46% (+9)

LD: 25% (-6)

CON: 17% (-1)

GRN: 6% (-)

SNP: 5% (-)

 

[Leavers]

CON: 71% (+6)

LAB: 10% (-)

BXP: 8% (-11)

LD: 4% (+1)

OTH: 7% (+4)

 

Also - who are the 4% Lib Dem leave voters and why haven't they abandoned their party and their ridiculous 'Revoke Article 50 with no referendum' policy?

Latest YouGov on Remain/Leave voters - looks like the Leave vote is uniting.... the question is, will the Remain vote do so too, and what impact will that have in our archaic FPTP system?

 

[Remainers]

LAB: 46% (+9)

LD: 25% (-6)

CON: 17% (-1)

GRN: 6% (-)

SNP: 5% (-)

 

[Leavers]

CON: 71% (+6)

LAB: 10% (-)

BXP: 8% (-11)

LD: 4% (+1)

OTH: 7% (+4)

 

Also - who are the 4% Lib Dem leave voters and why haven't they abandoned their party and their ridiculous 'Revoke Article 50 with no referendum' policy?

Is that based on how they actually voted in the referendum, or how they would vote now? If the former, the 4% could be people who have changed their mind.

 

I don't see why the Lib Dem policy is ridiculous. The party was always ben pro-European. Their policy is perfectly clear so, under our electoral system, a majority Lib Dem government can claim to have a mandate for it. In all other circumstances, they would continue to push for a referendum.

Also - who are the 4% Lib Dem leave voters and why haven't they abandoned their party and their ridiculous 'Revoke Article 50 with no referendum' policy?

 

There was a famous opinion poll where those questioned were asked "Have you ever been decapitated?"

 

4% answered that they had.

 

It's always worth keeping in mind that there's always going to be some people who aren't sincere when it comes to their responses to pollsters. There are also some people who aren' necessarily logical switchers between parties - over the summer there was a Lib Dem councilor who defected to the Brexit Party. People can be unpredictable.

I don't see why the Lib Dem policy is ridiculous. The party was always ben pro-European. Their policy is perfectly clear so, under our electoral system, a majority Lib Dem government can claim to have a mandate for it. In all other circumstances, they would continue to push for a referendum.

 

Sorry Simon, I know you'll defend the Lib Dem policy as you're a fully paid-up member, but I couldn't disagree more. Besides, a majority government could be theoretically formed on just 35% of the vote.. hardly a sufficient mandate?

 

That policy makes perfect sense. What is ridiculous is forcing us out on a 2 nation split, Little England non binding 51% vote, after leave campaigned to remain in the single market anyway. That is INSANE. REVOKE. REMAIN. FORGET THIS EVER HAPPENED!!!

Is that based on how they actually voted in the referendum, or how they would vote now? If the former, the 4% could be people who have changed their mind.

 

You are correct- it is how they voted in the 2016 EU referendum.

 

Tabs are here: https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumul...VI_191112_w.pdf

Sorry Simon, I know you'll defend the Lib Dem policy as you're a fully paid-up member, but I couldn't disagree more. Besides, a majority government could be theoretically formed on just 35% of the vote.. hardly a sufficient mandate?

It's a mandate under FPTP. It's certainly at least as valid a mandate (and would be a good deal more recent) than the supposed mandate for a hard-line form of Leave.

You are correct- it is how they voted in the 2016 EU referendum.

 

Tabs are here: https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumul...VI_191112_w.pdf

Which will, therefore, mean that anyone aged 18 or 19 will not have been included.

Brexshit party has imploded apparently. Loads on their fb page threatening to go back to not voting or back to Labour. Hopefully this ends the banter era of politics for good!

Do you trust the electorate?

 

I doubt he trusts anybody or anything. :D He doesn't even trust the poster's chart here and thinks there's a conspiracy against him. :o

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Brexshit party has imploded apparently. Loads on their fb page threatening to go back to not voting or back to Labour. Hopefully this ends the banter era of politics for good!

 

 

Excellent news for Boris.

I havr a huge post somewhere aboot how this means Labour have basically won it now. I'll post it later for Doctor Sleepness and Suedehead to have a look at.

I havr a huge post somewhere aboot how this means Labour have basically won it now. I'll post it later for Doctor Sleepness and Suedehead to have a look at.

 

 

LOL. Dream on Michael. The Brexit party standing down means no split in the Brexit vote so helping the Tories.

LOL. Dream on Michael. The Brexit party standing down means no split in the Brexit vote so helping the Tories.

 

Not necessarily, a perceived BXP-CON pact (even if not explicit) may scare off some remain Tories to peel off to the Lib Dems in the dozen or so LIB-CON marginals making the CON gains in Labour leave constituencies (possibly up to 40) only sufficient for them to stand still against all of the losses they make in Scotland (will likely lose all 13 there) and SW England.

 

If it is a hung parliament - Boris is toast.

 

Time will tell.

Bojo the Clown has to go! And he can take the BBTory and establishment media with him. They are terrified of Corbyn. Cyber attacks, BBTory full on propaganda mode, screaming headlines, buying ex Lab mps to connive and campaign with Tories, just total desperation.

Not necessarily, a perceived BXP-CON pact (even if not explicit) may scare off some remain Tories to peel off to the Lib Dems in the dozen or so LIB-CON marginals making the CON gains in Labour leave constituencies (possibly up to 40) only sufficient for them to stand still against all of the losses they make in Scotland (will likely lose all 13 there) and SW England.

 

If it is a hung parliament - Boris is toast.

 

Time will tell.

 

 

Yes I see what you mean. How would Boris be toast if he had most seats though? Surely another confidence & supply arrangement with the DUP? Remember he has first stab at trying to form a working majority even if he had less seats than Labour, providing Labour had no majority of course.

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Bojo the Clown has to go! And he can take the BBTory and establishment media with him. They are terrified of Corbyn. Cyber attacks, BBTory full on propaganda mode, screaming headlines, buying ex Lab mps to connive and campaign with Tories, just total desperation.

 

 

Boris is continuing to do his job as PM during the election campaign. Sending troops to South Yorkshire to help with the clean-up and giving every business affected £2,500 to help. I await people saying it's a bribe from the Tories!! :rolleyes: