He was too scared to get off his archaic bus later that same day. Victory in my eyes.

 

So you think intimidation is a legitimate political tactic?! :o

 

Somehow I don't think you'd be as sanguine if it were neo-nazis doing it...

Don't forget, this is the very same man that threatened to "pick up a rifle" in the event of Brexit not being delivered.

And Leave.Eu two days ago posted video across social media depicting Farage throwing a can of beer that exploded upon hitting Juncker.

Since the above cannot possibly be referring to Jo Cox (as the killer simply was a nut-job, & Farage cannot possibly be blamed for that), who else did you have in mind?

 

Far right. You don't get to distance yourself from viewpoints that nutters use to kill when you've fired them up to it. Farage fired them up. He didn't offer his sympathies to her family, he didn;t condemn all violence immediately and join in the condemnation that violence is not the answer. What he did was whinge about how it would boost the Remain cause and pouted and tried to work out angles slagging off people who sympathised as using it to further their cause.

 

A bit like he has over milshakegate. As ever, a total and complete hypocrite.\

 

 

Re: ot being an "assault" yes it is, in much the same way as someone throwing water in your face is a very very very minor assault, punishable by a small fine at most. Being punched in the head, now that's assault. That can kill you. a milkshake at worst means you have to clean your suit, so cost of cleaning it up is a suitable punishment, plus a bit for time-wasting.

 

I've been punched in the head, and Ive been splashed by liquids. Sense of proportion please.

So you think intimidation is a legitimate political tactic?! :o

 

Somehow I don't think you'd be as sanguine if it were neo-nazis doing it...

 

He was almost certainly more afraid of the boys in the yard checking out his milkshake.

 

So reluctant to defend attacks of any sort on someone you don't politically agree with, so quick to defend someone who gets a drink thrown on them......

 

"well just because I dont defend them doesnt mean I approve of it" yet here you are pondering whether folk are sanguin about neo-nazis throwing milkshakes.

 

Neo nazis throwing milkshakes would be a comical relief from their preferred methods of intimidation. Milkshake is not a weapon of intimidation, it's an expression of annoyance at what that person stands for. Death threats are intimidation. Now let's see you condemn all the death threats to Anna Soubry and Jess Phillips, and try and get this in proportion.

Surprised no-one's talking about May's latest effort to get the WA through..

 

It's so bad this time that even those who supported it last time from her Party are withdrawing their support.

Most Tory MPs from the ERG are more confident that Brexit will fillow a repel of her bill and in turn getting rid of her as PM!

Surprised no-one's talking about May's latest effort to get the WA through..

 

It's so bad this time that even those who supported it last time from her Party are withdrawing their support.

 

It's pretty much game over for May now (well so I hope). I suspect with upcoming EU elections showing a surge in remain-backing parties (SNP/LD/Greens) and May's deal getting rejected again, they'll have pretty much no other option other than a people's vote/another referendum.

Most Tory MPs from the ERG are more confident that Brexit will fillow a repel of her bill and in turn getting rid of her as PM!

 

It leads us back to square one though, there is still no majority for a Hard Brexit in Parliment.

 

 

It's pretty much game over for May now (well so I hope). I suspect with upcoming EU elections showing a surge in remain-backing parties (SNP/LD/Greens) and May's deal getting rejected again, they'll have pretty much no other option other than a people's vote/another referendum.

 

I suspect what will happen is we'll see the Tories tank, Labour mark marginal gains and the Brexit Party surge. But when you add together the Lib Dems/SNP/Greens and put it together with the will they/won't they Labour it'll probs be about a 50/50 split. Right now I can't see any way out other than a confirmatory referendum of some sorts.

 

Funny enough British Steel has gone in to administration today. Funny enough the ardilent Brexiteers aren't talking about that.

The whole thing has gone beyond a joke. She has “promised” that MPs will be given the chance to vote on whether there should be a referendum on her deal. However, there are no guarantees. Given her track record, why would anyone trust her? That’s even before you consider the possibility that she will be dumped before any vote on a referendum and that her successor will not feel any obligation to have such a vote.

 

Yet again, she shows utter contempt for parliament.

It could lead to a Brexiteer PM with the confidence to go to the country with hopes to gain a majority though and then we know what may happen...

The one thing that sort of annoys me is that looking at polling data, a large amount of people believe labour to be anti-brexit, when it's clearly the opposite? If people were more aware of labour's actual stance (well it is constantly changing/vauge at times), we might see a larger loss of votes for them to the benefit of the more prevelant anti-brexit parties.

A second referendum or 'confirmatory referendum' seems a lot more likely than a General Election...

 

Of course had the Lib Dem/Conservative Coalition not brought in the clunky and ugly Fixed Term Parliament Act we'd have had a General Election back in January when the Government's primary legislation was voted down by the largest majority in several hundred years and treated as a vote of no confidence in the Government.

The one thing that sort of annoys me is that looking at polling data, a large amount of people believe labour to be anti-brexit, when it's clearly the opposite? If people were more aware of labour's actual stance (well it is constantly changing/vauge at times), we might see a larger loss of votes for them to the benefit of the more prevelant anti-brexit parties.

 

Could you explain what Labour's stance is, as simply as possible?

 

That's the problem that they & the Conservatives have. With the Remain parties & Brexit Party, their stance is incredibly simple for people to understand. Less so for Labour & the Tories. In this election, which is now more or less a proxy rerun of the 2016 Referendum, it'll be the simple that wins.

Could you explain what Labour's stance is, as simply as possible?

 

That's the problem that they & the Conservatives have. With the Remain parties & Brexit Party, their stance is incredibly simple for people to understand. Less so for Labour & the Tories. In this election, which is now more or less a proxy rerun of the 2016 Referendum, it'll be the simple that wins.

 

In the simplest way possible, they have stated they are to uphold the referendum result and see brexit through. Which is the opposite of being anti-brexit. A "soft" version of brexit (customs union) isn't anti-brexit. I feel that it's down to their ever-changing stance and their voting against May's deal that's confused people despite there being a solid message throughout - which is to uphold the referendum result.

 

It doesn't help that you have many remain-backing MPs in the party though, which is likely one of the reasons many remainers still back labour.

A second referendum or 'confirmatory referendum' seems a lot more likely than a General Election...

 

Of course had the Lib Dem/Conservative Coalition not brought in the clunky and ugly Fixed Term Parliament Act we'd have had a General Election back in January when the Government's primary legislation was voted down by the largest majority in several hundred years and treated as a vote of no confidence in the Government.

No, if there was no Fixed Term Parliament Act, the Tories would have called an election long before May 2015.

 

Most European democracies have the equivalent of the Act. The USA operates on the same principle. Local governments all have fixed terms.

In the simplest way possible, they have stated they are to uphold the referendum result and see brexit through. Which is the opposite of being anti-brexit. A "soft" version of brexit (customs union) isn't anti-brexit. I feel that it's down to their ever-changing stance and their voting against May's deal that's confused people despite there being a solid message throughout - which is to uphold the referendum result.

 

It doesn't help that you have many remain-backing MPs in the party though, which is likely one of the reasons many remainers still back labour.

They also have a membership that is overwhelmingly pro=Remain. Unfortunately, the leader has forgotten that he won the leadership on a promise to abide by the wishes of party members.

The one thing that sort of annoys me is that looking at polling data, a large amount of people believe labour to be anti-brexit, when it's clearly the opposite? If people were more aware of labour's actual stance (well it is constantly changing/vauge at times), we might see a larger loss of votes for them to the benefit of the more prevelant anti-brexit parties.

 

The Party idelogy is pro-Remain but the Leadership is pro-Brexit. There's people that will always vote Labour no matter what, just like there are people who will always vote Tory. Corbyn is trying to win the Brexit support but not piss off the pro-EU. It's a complete mess. The sad thing is if they actually came out and said they want a 2nd Referendum their support would surge and you'd expect they would be able to form a coalition at the next GE. Right now their strategy, as it has been for the past 5 years is utterly useless.

I suspect what will happen is we'll see the Tories tank, Labour mark marginal gains and the Brexit Party surge. But when you add together the Lib Dems/SNP/Greens and put it together with the will they/won't they Labour it'll probs be about a 50/50 split. Right now I can't see any way out other than a confirmatory referendum of some sorts.

 

A YouGov poll just put Labour on 13% for Thursday's election and 6% behind the Lib Dems. That's the most extreme poll, and there's a lot of variation around, but if one thing's clear it's that they're not going to make marginal gains.

 

The one thing that sort of annoys me is that looking at polling data, a large amount of people believe labour to be anti-brexit, when it's clearly the opposite? If people were more aware of labour's actual stance (well it is constantly changing/vauge at times), we might see a larger loss of votes for them to the benefit of the more prevelant anti-brexit parties.

Polls show you that a majority of Leave voters view Labour to be anti-Brexit (having said that, many also believe the Tories to be anti-Brexit too so I'm not sure if they're trolling), and a majority of Remain voters view Labour to be pro-Brexit, hence their desertion of them. This tells you a lot at how Labour's ambiguous stance has pissed off both sides and pleased no-one.

If I were to defend Labour, then I'd point out that the party isn't as divided as the Tories (or at least their whipping operation is better), and the stance itself isn't ambiguous but the implications of it are. But that is equally problematic for me.