Yeah, you're right Iz.

 

People who believe in the just world fallacy. (correlating with the religious and, ironically, selfish, considering the charitable basis of many world religions)

No Deal under Johnson I reckon will happen but by there being less of a resistance to do anything else once time runs out - the only way it can happen.

 

I can't see that though, I think there is still too much against No Deal. Will be interesting to see the stance of May's Cabinet once the majority are inevitably sacked. Guess we'll see if they change their stance slightly.

 

Crucially I don't think the EU want us to have No Deal either, but I think it's right that something is going to have to break the deadlock be it a GE and a potential long extension or a 2nd Referendum.

I mean Bamber would be a laugh only to see both a sitting chancellor AND prime minister lose their seats in 2022 (cause no way would a Tory association in this current state select Amber Rudd for a different safe seat)

I mean Bamber would be a laugh only to see both a sitting chancellor AND prime minister lose their seats in 2022 (cause no way would a Tory association in this current state select Amber Rudd for a different safe seat)

 

 

Speculation that May might just step down before the next election and Rudd changes to try for her seat. Maidenhead is staunch left and they'd vote for a cat if it was dressed in blue.

Edited May 25, 20196 yr by Common Sense

I wouldn't be surprised if May follows Blair and Cameron by resigning her seat.

I would be. Far too much risk of a national embarrassment for the Conservatives even in the once safe seat of Maidenhead right now. And she’s a career politician, I think she’ll retreat to the backbenches and do nothing until standing down at the next GE. It’s not like Cameron or Blair where they were rising stars for so long that they’d inevitably cast a shadow from the backbench.

I'll make an early prediction here that Esther McVey will be the first to be voted out of the contest.

If the number of candidates is in double figures, I can see several dropping out after the first round. That’s assuming some don’t drop out before the first votes are cast.

Gove, Leadsome and Rabb join Boris and McVey in the contest.

Gove, Leadsome and Rabb join Boris and McVey in the contest.

 

Gosh what an odious list of shite politicians.

I can see Boris and Gove being the last two with Boris winning. Think MP's and a lot of the membership recognise that he can win elections despite his tomfoolery so is probably more likely to beat Corbyn than Gove is. They want to win the next election and that's all that really matters to them as someone said on Sky News earlier. That's far more important even than Brexit. If they were sitting on a huge majority maybe they wouldn't need Boris but they do now.

Edited May 26, 20196 yr by Common Sense

I can see Boris and Gove being the last two with Boris winning. Think MP's and a lot of the membership recognise that he can win elections despite his tomfoolery so is probably more likely to beat Corbyn than Gove is. They want to win the next election and that's all that really matters to them as someone said on Sky News earlier. That's far more important even than Brexit. If they were sitting on a huge majority maybe they wouldn't need Boris but they do now.

 

I don't think Boris would unite the Party as much in an election as the members may think. He's got a pretty bad reputation and that's even before he enters office. Of course there's always the Trump effect. The only leader that could potentially unite the party and win a majority in an election imo is Gove. He's clearly the most capable on paper. If Boris gets to the final 2 he wins hands down, but think he'll probably get stitched up by MPs.

I'm not sure Gove is overly appealing to the general public especially after the shit storm the tories will make of Brexit. Boris although less capable would appeal beyond the base.

 

Also not sure the tories at present care about a GE win given they are all fighting over Brexit!

So in recent days Rory Stewart has been performing a pretty excellent social media campaign and tour of the UK placing himself as a somewhat eccentric but approachable character who’s willing to compromise, listen and fix. Now this is casting him as the Tory for people who don’t vote Tory, unsurprisingly, and he has very little support from MPs but I do think he’d be a pretty savvy pick. And at least one of the candidates isn’t terrible in how they are presenting themselves even if his vote record is typical Tory whip-mandated.

 

Meanwhile Sajid Javid is busy being the most popular man in Scotland.

Did you get #PermissionFromSajid for that post Iz?

I think Boris's forthcoming court appearance doesn't look good for him at all and his odds are drifting slightly now with the bookies. :( Gove's odds are shortening and so are Hunt's and Leadsom's although can't see she has any chance. They won't go for any woman this time. As much as I'd love Boris as PM I can see Gove or even Hunt pipping him now. Gove the more likely though.

 

In other Boris news, Trump has said he hopes he can fit in a meeting with him and Farage next week, either individually if time allows, or even together,his two "good friends" as he calls them. :D No prizes for guessing as to who he'd support for next PM then. ;)

Edited May 30, 20196 yr by Common Sense

Considering Boris has apparently previously had meetings with Trump’s aides and those who ran his campaign, I’m not shocked in the slightest.

 

So funny the anti-establishment vote couldn’t be any more for the establishment

So in recent days Rory Stewart has been performing a pretty excellent social media campaign and tour of the UK placing himself as a somewhat eccentric but approachable character who’s willing to compromise, listen and fix. Now this is casting him as the Tory for people who don’t vote Tory, unsurprisingly, and he has very little support from MPs but I do think he’d be a pretty savvy pick. And at least one of the candidates isn’t terrible in how they are presenting themselves even if his vote record is typical Tory whip-mandated.

 

Brett-Butler has looked into his marvellous crystal ball (and it is a marvellous ball indeed, it's glittery and all), and can predict that on Question Time tonight, Rory will say something that will get him "cancelled" faster than you can say "Milkshake Duck".

Haha was gonna say that - he's on QT tonight which has become a terrible watch since the referendum!

Brett-Butler has looked into his marvellous crystal ball (and it is a marvellous ball indeed, it's glittery and all), and can predict that on Question Time tonight, Rory will say something that will get him "cancelled" faster than you can say "Milkshake Duck".

With Barry Gardiner on for Labour, it looks like one of those rare occasions when the Tory isn't the dimmest member of the panel. Interesting that Jo Swinson is also on, so that's two people with their minds on a leadership election.