May 22, 20197 yr It's not just these so-called "urban" acts though, Billie Eilish had 3 songs top 15 when her album came out and now Lewis Capaldi will have 3 in the top 10. Tbf in lewis case those 3 tracks have been charting for a while before the album was released, grace is the only one really benefitting and repeaking
May 22, 20197 yr slowthai's held that #9 album position in each update, do we know whether he's sold enough to hold it/T10 at least? Really hope he can! No idea on other sales info, as per the post Tbf in lewis case those 3 tracks have been charting for a while before the album was released, grace is the only one really benefitting and repeaking All of them are seeing a notable uplift in sales that they wouldn't have seen without the album, though. It's the same effect. Is Zara still in top 40? No
May 22, 20197 yr All of them are seeing a notable uplift in sales that they wouldn't have seen without the album, though. It's the same effect. Hardly SYL and HMWYW were 4 and 8 respectively with SYL doing 61k climbing to 3 and 5 respectively is hardly significant when the sales are looking pretty similar to last week He would have had 2 tracks regardless of the album
May 22, 20197 yr Hardly SYL and HMWYW were 4 and 8 respectively with SYL doing 61k climbing to 3 and 5 respectively is hardly significant when the sales are looking pretty similar to last week He would have had 2 tracks regardless of the album As of yesterday, Someone You Loved was up 27.7% on last week and Hold Me While You Wait was up 40.7%. They are not insignificant boosts, and I think it's more than fair to suggest that Lewis would have a big album track impact even if SYL and HMWYW weren't already doing very well...
May 22, 20197 yr The 3 track rule is a rather blunt instrument. I like the Lewis songs but obviously the hits are getting a lot of extra plays from people streaming the album.See also the Arctics last year. Plus one of Grace and Bruises is going to be starred out while the other goes top 10 despite their streams and sales seemingly very close. The sales only chart is a useful barometer here, albeit on the wane. Ed Sheeran always gets called out, but all 16 Divide tracks made the sales top 50 and four made the sales top 10 on Divide's release. The TGS conveyor belt with ACR last year was amusing, but it meant its second most sought after track (The Greatest Show) couldn't chart for 6 months. But some acts don't register on sales, and we can't dismiss their popularity on streaming. I think OCC should instead downweight the 'singles chart' streams from all the tracks on an album by a percentage of its 'album chart' streams for the same week to reduce the double-counting, then allow them all to chart.
May 22, 20197 yr I think, if this makes any sense, the best solution is they should take say half the streaming points of the average streamed track of an album and subtract those points from the singles chart points Ie for this new Tyler the Creator album which is going to put 3 songs top 40, two of which will drop massively next week: Average streamed song has let’s say 5000 sales, so 2500 sales are removed from each track. Then album tracks aren’t so high because of streams of the album and not the song as itself. 3 track rule doesn’t really solve it all as certain album tracks still chart artificially too high - see also Grace only going top ten this week because of album streams.
May 22, 20197 yr Old Town Road to overtake Ed/JB next week do you reckon? I hope so! Ed is actually releasing another song himself :lol: (not that it's guaranteed #1 especially as the features aren't as big stream bait as Bieber is but you can't ever count out a new Ed Sheeran release ofc ~)
May 23, 20197 yr I think, if this makes any sense, the best solution is they should take say half the streaming points of the average streamed track of an album and subtract those points from the singles chart points Ie for this new Tyler the Creator album which is going to put 3 songs top 40, two of which will drop massively next week: Average streamed song has let’s say 5000 sales, so 2500 sales are removed from each track. Then album tracks aren’t so high because of streams of the album and not the song as itself. 3 track rule doesn’t really solve it all as certain album tracks still chart artificially too high - see also Grace only going top ten this week because of album streams. I feel like the discerning nature of album listeners isn't paid enough credit; people are very quick to determine what they're interested in and cut out what they don't. When Ed Sheeran's album came out, track 1, "Eraser" charted below almost every single track on the album, including some bonus tracks, because it sounded different and a lot of Ed fans wanted nothing to do with it. Similar thing happened with "the light is coming" in Australia despite having already charted as a single before the album came out and having a non-zero amount of weekly streamers boosting it. In any case I don't see why album release streams are chastised over playlist abetted streams for any reason that isn't 'this is attacking the status quo by hogging space that belongs to the real hits'. If they're gone the next week then who cares, something different got the light shining on it for one week, and business is restored a week later. Honestly for album tracks to chart as high as they do, it's impressive because they aren't backed by radio, playlists, or YouTube/Spotify autoplay recommendation loops.
May 23, 20197 yr for me the issue is double counting for both charts, should be just one or the other Im sure Spotify is capable of separating streams and knows if you are streaming Rita Ora's album or just listening randomly to Anywhere as part of a playlist
May 23, 20197 yr for me the issue is double counting for both charts, should be just one or the other Im sure Spotify is capable of separating streams and knows if you are streaming Rita Ora's album or just listening randomly to Anywhere as part of a playlist I still feel like with that, it's such a pittance that contributes to both charts that it's not worth noting. The top two tracks on an album are nullified in terms of calculating album sale equivalent stream, so they're not worth noting. The 4th biggest track (and everything below it) doesn't even get counted on the singles chart anyway, so that's irrelevant, and so all that leaves you is the 3rd biggest track, contributing 10% of its streams to the weighted average of the 3rd-12th tracks (only however if an artist's top 3 tracks all come from the same album). With most album tracks escaping the top 50 after their first week, they'd be lucky to even contribute more than 1,000 erroneous album chart sales. Excluding track streams taken directly from albums will only cause false positives that make the chart even more of a mess. I've even seen it myself because Australian charts are full of arbitrary nonsense. For reasons that escape me, ARIA didn't count any streams of "XO TOUR Llif3" that came from "Luv Is Rage 2", an exclusion I don't believe affected anything else on the chart. Even though the album itself only had a modest following, the song fell further and further from where it should be every week, because more and more people were streaming the song on its own from the album, rather than the single (largely because that's what result turns up first usually). It fell off the chart remarkably prematurely with that in mind: (red line indicates the week the album came out). I know some will hurrah this sort of thing because eww mumble rap they prefer older songs to leave the chart, but it'd just make the chart become a meaningless wash of committee attempts into adapting itself to maintain the prior standard, rather than truly representing the way music consumption has changed in the 2010s.
May 23, 20197 yr http://i.imgur.com/E6o8dx1.png Thursday Top 40 Update Missing Data: Amazon Music, Apple Music, Spotify, YouTube (all for Wednesday) Singles 1 Ed Sheeran & Justin Bieber - I Don't Care (72.2k) 2 Lil Nas X - Old Town Road (62.6k) 3 Lewis Capaldi - Someone You Loved (54.4k) 4 Stormzy - Vossi Bop (47.7k) 5 Lewis Capaldi - Hold Me While You Wait (40.0k) 6-10 9 Lewis Capaldi - Grace 10 Jax Jones & Martin Solveig present Europa with Madison Beer - All Day and Night 11-20 16 Tyler, the Creator - EARFQUAKE * 17 Jonas Blue feat. Theresa Rex - What I Like About You 20 Ellie Goulding - Sixteen 21-30 24 Calvin Harris & Rag'n'Bone Man - Giant 25 Halsey - Nightmare * 26 Digga D - No Diet 30 Tyler, the Creator - I THINK * 31-40 32 Mark Ronson feat. Lykke Li - Late Night Feelings 36 DJ Khaled feat. Chris Brown, Lil Wayne & Big Sean - Jealous * 38 Tyler, the Creator - IGOR'S THEME * 39 Martin Garrix feat. Macklemore & Patrick Stump - Summer Days * 40 DJ Khaled feat. Nipsey Hussle & John Legend - Higher * ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Albums 1 Lewis Capaldi - Divinely Uninspired to a Hellish Extent (76.3k) * 2 The National - I Am Easy To Find (11.6k) * 3 Rammstein - RAMMSTEIN (10.8k) * 4 Tyler, the Creator - IGOR (9.3k) * 5 Billie Eilish - WHEN WE ALL FALL ASLEEP, WHERE DO WE GO? (7.4k) 6-10 6 DJ Khaled - Father of Asahd * 9 Slowthai - Nothing Great About Britain * 11-20 11 Digga D - Double Tap Diaries * 15 Elton John - Diamonds 17 Jack Savoretti - Singing to Strangers 19 Jess Glynne - Always In Between 21-30 22 Carly Rae Jepsen - Dedicated * 28 Big Big Train - Grand Tour * 30 Take That - Odyssey 31-40 34 Thea Gilmore - Small World Turning * 35 Biffy Clyro - Balance, Not Symmetry (OST) *
May 23, 20197 yr Will Ellie hold on to that position? I can see her slipping to (at least) #21, Hardy Caprio is just behind her and I think he has the streaming advantage (19 places higher on AM, 2 places lower on Spotify).
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