Now they're saying the restaurant industry's going under because of Brexit. Everything's being blamed on Brexit when there must be other factors too and we haven't even left yet! :wacko:

 

More than 1,400 UK restaurants collapsed in the year since June 2018 due to increased costs due to collapsed pound and decreased footfall due to lack of consumer confidence. Both of which are a direct result of brexit.

 

If they didn't charge so much for miniscule portions they'd get more people in so wouldn't be closing. :rolleyes:

 

Stop trolling.

Stop trolling.

 

 

I'm not trolling. Just posting something in the news today that you may have missed.

"If they didn't charge so much for miniscule portions they'd get more people in so wouldn't be closing."

 

No one can be this thick. They shut because of brexshit. You are trolling.

Do you understand why the pound has collapsed? And that it has actually collapsed?

Do you understand why the pound has collapsed? And that it has actually collapsed?

 

 

Yes and yes but am not convinced that would affect restaurants to cause them to actually close.

Yes and yes but am not convinced that would affect restaurants to cause them to actually close.

 

And yet even that short article literally spells out the how and why. You are trolling.

In terms of Algernon's screeching about the rise of fascism, it's not entirely an unfounded fear. Fascism certainly never arrives announcing itself, and it always starts by gaining populist support for simple nationalistic/patriotic ideas that can induct just enough people to get them into power. It is in effect extreme nationalism and the trends of the past few years have been so worrying. I do think it's the responsibility of everyone who wants Nazism to not happen again to understand how they came to power, and not support anything that could look like it (like a Prime Minister seeking to subvert parliamentary sovereignty) just a little bit, even if you think you're one of the reasonable ones supporting their movement for other reasons. Especially if so. Because EVERYONE thinks they're one of the reasonable ones.

 

Now they're saying the restaurant industry's going under because of Brexit. Everything's being blamed on Brexit when there must be other factors too and we haven't even left yet! :wacko:

 

More than 1,400 UK restaurants collapsed in the year since June 2018 due to increased costs due to collapsed pound and decreased footfall due to lack of consumer confidence. Both of which are a direct result of brexit.

 

If they didn't charge so much for miniscule portions they'd get more people in so wouldn't be closing. :rolleyes:

 

So this shows you have no grasp of economics or the humility to accept that people who work in the restaurant industry might know more than you on the effect a weakened pound has on their business.

"If they didn't charge so much for miniscule portions they'd get more people in so wouldn't be closing."

 

No one can be this thick. They shut because of brexshit. You are trolling.

 

 

Restaurants are expensive, especially for families and if you have wine. You can be looking at well over £100 and most is profit. The food costs a tiny proportion of what they charge. It's far far cheaper to cook and eat at home. They'll charge you £25 too for a bottle of wine that may be £6 in Tesco.

Edited September 16, 20195 yr by Common Sense

Restaurants are expensive, especially for families and if you have wine. You can be looking at well over £100 and most is profit. The food costs a tiny proportion of what they charge. It's far far cheaper to cook and eat at home.

 

So? This isn't something that is new to 2016 and on. If everyone suddenly decided on home cooking, the trend would be universal, and not due to brexshit.

 

Restaurants are expensive, especially for families and if you have wine. You can be looking at well over £100 and most is profit. The food costs a tiny proportion of what they charge. It's far far cheaper to cook and eat at home. They'll charge you £25 too for a bottle of wine that may be £6 in Tesco.

Of course it's cheaper to cook at home. You don't have to pay anyone t cook it, deliver it to your table, do the washing-up etc. You don't have to pay business rates. You don't include any costs associated with your home.

Restaurants are expensive, especially for families and if you have wine. You can be looking at well over £100 and most is profit. The food costs a tiny proportion of what they charge. It's far far cheaper to cook and eat at home.

 

Okay so brief economics lesson, so where I live, in China, restaurants are about the same price as eating at home. Why could that be? Why are they so much more expensive in the UK? Firstly, land values are huge in the UK, the restaurant will be paying a good portion of its earnings in rent. It also needs to pay the iamspamspamamistaff and waiters a good enough wage to live on, as it should, utilities, and if you're not going to put in the work to cook you should be paying more for the service. Restaurants are a luxury, and especially so if you're going to ask them to get a bottle of wine, what they make on that markup helps go towards covering their other costs.

 

China is an emerging economy with fierce competition though, less wages for workers and far cheaper land values. Anecdotally, eating out in a community style seems popular here, so many go out every night, and undercutting must be taking place, along with less rigorous food standards. The UK had to work to get its restaurant industry to be relatively quality and that does mean it'll suffer from an economic downturn.

In terms of Algernon's screeching about the rise of fascism, it's not entirely an unfounded fear. Fascism certainly never arrives announcing itself, and it always starts by gaining populist support for simple nationalistic/patriotic ideas that can induct just enough people to get them into power. It is in effect extreme nationalism and the trends of the past few years have been so worrying. I do think it's the responsibility of everyone who wants Nazism to not happen again to understand how they came to power, and not support anything that could look like it (like a Prime Minister seeking to subvert parliamentary sovereignty) just a little bit, even if you think you're one of the reasonable ones supporting their movement for other reasons. Especially if so. Because EVERYONE thinks they're one of the reasonable ones.

 

You know what fascists do? They pick a target & blame it for everything that's 'going wrong'.

 

And what do Remainers do - blame everything on Brexit.

 

Notice the similarities? :teresa:

 

You know what fascists do? They pick a target & blame it for everything that's 'going wrong'.

 

And what do Remainers do - blame everything on Brexit.

 

Notice the similarities? :teresa:

 

Weren't you JUST LAST WEEK trying to blame remainers for the brexshit clusterfook?? Also when brexshit IS THE CAUSE, it will get blamed?

 

And brexshitters try to use brexshit to legitimise everything, INCLUDING SUSPENDING PARLIAMENT AND SUBVERTING THE LAW. Brexshitters attacked the courts. They called remainers traitors. Farage, who bragged about his initials NF in his posh boarding school for the establishment, recently complained about the BoE head being a remainer. He said that makes him ineligible. I'd call that an attempt at a purge, wouldn't you?

 

Left wing cannot be fascists, but the right wing can.

 

Trump: blames immigrants. Puts families in border camps.

Farage et al: blame immigrants and the EU for everything.

 

Wait, what was your pithy description of fascism again??

Oh yes, the group of people who are all implicitly okay with the EU, the super liberal democracy. Massive fascists.

Okay so brief economics lesson, so where I live, in China, restaurants are about the same price as eating at home. Why could that be? Why are they so much more expensive in the UK? Firstly, land values are huge in the UK, the restaurant will be paying a good portion of its earnings in rent. It also needs to pay the iamspamspamamistaff and waiters a good enough wage to live on, as it should, utilities, and if you're not going to put in the work to cook you should be paying more for the service. Restaurants are a luxury, and especially so if you're going to ask them to get a bottle of wine, what they make on that markup helps go towards covering their other costs.

 

China is an emerging economy with fierce competition though, less wages for workers and far cheaper land values. Anecdotally, eating out in a community style seems popular here, so many go out every night, and undercutting must be taking place, along with less rigorous food standards. The UK had to work to get its restaurant industry to be relatively quality and that does mean it'll suffer from an economic downturn.

 

 

Good interesting post. Thanks for that. Same in Philippines. People eat out a lot as it's cheap.

Oh yes, the group of people who are all implicitly okay with the EU, the super liberal democracy. Massive fascists.

 

Not the first far right loon I've seen trying to call left wing liberal democrats the fascists :rofl: It's laughable.

Left wing cannot be fascists, but the right wing can.

 

So to expand on this, for fascism to exist, it needs an 'other' for the members of its movement to hate no matter the circumstances. Understandable with the debate being so divided that on that basis alone you could count both sides. But that's not the key defining trait. Fascists are unhappy with the status quo in liberal democracies, so they must seek to change the system to one where the 'in' group is on top, so they have power, and the 'out' group is on bottom. And that's a cornerstone of right-wing philosophy, not left-wing. In general, right-wing is hierarchical, left-wing is egalitarian.

 

And certainly not everyone involved in a massive right-wing society changing movement is a fascist, but they will be hiding amongst the movement. I do believe Farage is one, as well as many members of the Brexit party, anyone who ignores the fact that half the country didn't want this. Politicians for remaining have done little but acknowledge the people who aren't on their side, and the lack of 'traitor' calling is telling.

So to expand on this, for fascism to exist, it needs an 'other' for the members of its movement to hate no matter the circumstances. Understandable with the debate being so divided that on that basis alone you could count both sides. But that's not the key defining trait. Fascists are unhappy with the status quo in liberal democracies, so they must seek to change the system to one where the 'in' group is on top, so they have power, and the 'out' group is on bottom. And that's a cornerstone of right-wing philosophy, not left-wing. In general, right-wing is hierarchical, left-wing is egalitarian.

 

And certainly not everyone involved in a massive right-wing society changing movement is a fascist, but they will be hiding amongst the movement. I do believe Farage is one, as well as many members of the Brexit party, anyone who ignores the fact that half the country didn't want this. Politicians for remaining have done little but acknowledge the people who aren't on their side, and the lack of 'traitor' calling is telling.

 

:wub:

 

Yes and yes but am not convinced that would affect restaurants to cause them to actually close.

You cannot be this thick surely.

 

If the pound falls prices on goods start to rise. When a business faces rising costs they pass that on to the consumer or swallow it. In the restaurant industry where it is super competitive they can’t raise prices and thus swallow the cost increase. Once the increase to their cost grows beyond their profit margins, they can no longer afford to stay open. Therefore they are closing because of the economic conditions caused by Brexit.

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You know what fascists do? They pick a target & blame it for everything that's 'going wrong'.

 

And what do Remainers do - blame everything on Brexit.

 

Notice the similarities? :teresa:

At your earliest convenience please get the f*** in the sea xoxo

Ah yes, all along Brexiteers were the real oppressed minority.

 

White straight people born in the 50s and 60s have had it so hard for the last 40 years compared to any other group!