What does Boris have to do to lose your support?

 

Find him a job!

Find him a job!

 

 

I'll be 60 in January and am far too depressed to work at present, after the sudden death of my daughter last year. My GP recognises that and will fully support me in my next DWP assessment which I think is in January. She's told me to contact her as soon as I receive the ESA50 form and she'll do me a letter to go in with it. If they still find me fit for work as they did last time I shall appeal to the court, as is my right under the rules, and no doubt win again. There is a little-known clause which states that my GP thinks that I would be a danger to myself if forced in to any kind of work or work related activity such as training. ie I may commit suicide. My Dr. will use this clause as she did last time at appeal. The judge actually told the DWP woman off, saying my case should never have got so far and they should never have found me fit for work in the first place. So many appeals are being won so the system must be flawed.

 

At 66 if I'm still alive, I go on old-age pension anyway and cease to get ESA. So no more assessments after that.

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These Tories are from the same families that brought the workhouse, the poorhouse, worked childrena nd adults tos eath, and resisted any and all safety measures. Sooo yeah. Not gonna fly :(

These Tories are from the same families that brought the workhouse, the poorhouse, worked childrena nd adults tos eath, and resisted any and all safety measures. Sooo yeah. Not gonna fly :(

 

 

Well they'd have to change the law and stop appeals then which would be terrible. Everyone should have the right of appeal. The EU may have to step in then.

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I thought Labour were going to table a motion of no confidence as soon as Boris sends the extension letter though, meaning a late Nov/Dec election?

Not if someone else is able to form a government.

The EU may have to step in then.

 

 

The irony.

Not if someone else is able to form a government.

 

 

Well Swinson won't support a Labour government with Corbyn as leader and can't see him stepping aside easily.

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At 66 if I'm still alive, I go on old-age pension anyway and cease to get ESA. So no more assessments after that.

 

Oh ok I see. "I'm OK, f*** everybody else"

 

Quelle suprise.

Oh ok I see. "I'm OK, f*** everybody else"

 

Quelle suprise.

 

 

Why are you irate? I was merely stating a fact. All these assessments every 18 months are traumatic and worrying and actually make my depression worse yet they can't see that. :( :(

Why are you irate?

 

Because you are self centred, shortsighted and naive, and your shortcomings(along with millions of others who voted like you) are going to have a horrible impact of future generations.

Because you are self centred, shortsighted and naive, and your shortcomings(along with millions of others who voted like you) are going to have a horrible impact of future generations.

 

 

Well I frankly can't see us ever leaving now. :( I'm thinking extension, general election, referendum resulting in remain decision and revocation of A50.

Well they'd have to change the law and stop appeals then which would be terrible. Everyone should have the right of appeal. The EU may have to step in then.

 

The EU. The very thing you rail against because the papers told you to? LORD! At least you accept it is far more humanitarian than Tories.

I'll be 60 in January and am far too depressed to work at present, after the sudden death of my daughter last year. My GP recognises that and will fully support me in my next DWP assessment which I think is in January. She's told me to contact her as soon as I receive the ESA50 form and she'll do me a letter to go in with it. If they still find me fit for work as they did last time I shall appeal to the court, as is my right under the rules, and no doubt win again. There is a little-known clause which states that my GP thinks that I would be a danger to myself if forced in to any kind of work or work related activity such as training. ie I may commit suicide. My Dr. will use this clause as she did last time at appeal. The judge actually told the DWP woman off, saying my case should never have got so far and they should never have found me fit for work in the first place. So many appeals are being won so the system must be flawed.

 

At 66 if I'm still alive, I go on old-age pension anyway and cease to get ESA. So no more assessments after that.

 

And yet, despite all that you continue to throw your support behind people that are finding you "fit for work" and would do EVERYTHING THEY CAN to put you in work if the could. This lot consider people like you to be a drain on the system, regardless of your circumstances.

 

You are the dictionary definition of a HALFWIT.

Well they'd have to change the law and stop appeals then which would be terrible. Everyone should have the right of appeal. The EU may have to step in then.

What EU? If you’ve got your way we won’t have the EU to appeal to. Then what you gonna do eh?

Yes, there was a December GE in 1923! It was the first ever Labour government (propped up by the Liberals). :D

 

There was also one in Dec 1918 after the Great War!

The ignorance of Brexit supporters is mind-numbing. Bonnie Greer's statements on the BBC last night is what the Irish government (and the EU) have been saying for years. Ireland does not need to compromise. After all these years do you really think Ireland is going to turn around and do the UK government a favour? Brexit is the UK's problem and it's not up to Ireland to fix. Despite Trump's support for Boris, the UK are very much on their own in this mess and Boris will be hard pushed to find any type of substantial trade deal with the US if there's No Deal. Pelosi will not let that happen. The GFA is a legally binding international treaty lodged with the United Nations and cannot just be rewritten or disregarded by the UK, a co-signatory. The people on the island of Ireland know what the GFA means and voted for it overwhelmingly (71% in NI and 94%(!) in the Republic).

 

Arlene Foster and the DUP need to be flushed and should not hold so much power when they're not even in power in the North. Let's not forget the DUP voted AGAINST the GFA so they're talking pure shite when they say they don't want a hard border. The vast majority of people in the North want to stay in the EU and/or the Customs Union. The latter is easily achievable and needs to be the way this is dealt with. If NI is dragged out of the EU by the DUP and the Conservatives with a hard border then Reunification will be sooner rather than later. Add that with Scotland about to leave and all that's left is England and, at a push, Wales. You know it's an absolute mess when Wales are like "wait, what???".

 

There prob would be civil war before reunification tbf.

 

Just shows how Westminster government doesn't work in Ireland!

From The Times online.

 

Sounds like Boris is ready for fight.

 

"Senior Tories have claimed Johnson would sit tight if he were found in contempt of court for ignoring the Been Act, a law passed by remainer MPs to prevent no deal, unless he faces jail.

 

On senior figure said: "Unless the police turn up at the doors of 10 Downing Street with a warrant for the prime minister's arrest, he won't be leaving."

 

Together, Jonson's plans mean that the clashes in parliament and the Supreme Court may be only the opening salvos in what promises to be the biggest constitutional storm in centuries.

 

The details emerged as Johnson's draft deal with Brussels appeared to be on life support. EU bosses announced on Friday night that Johnson's proposal to remove the Northern Ireland backstop was "not the basis of deal".

 

Sources close to Michel Barnier, the EU negotiator, told The Sunday TImes this weekend: "We are not going into the tunnel," meaning the process of line-by-line negotiations that would signal a possible breakthrough.

 

Johnson will have telephone calls with his fellow EU leaders, including a planned conversion with Leo Varadkar, the taoiseach, on Wednesday.

 

Steve Barclay, the Brexit secretary, will travel to Holland today to drum up support for Johnson't plans. The prime minister's chief negotiator, David Frost, will return to Brussels and his senior aide Sir Edward Lister is expected to travel later to Dublin.

 

However, insiders said they expect the EU to signal that the talks were going nowhere as early as tomorrow, triggering a vicious blame game.

 

Opposition MPs and Tory rebels plan to act if Johnson refuses to agree a delay to Brexit deadline of October 31 - installing a veteran such as Dame Margaret Beckett as caretaker in his place.

 

It has been assumes by members of the "rebel alliance" that if a caretaker prime minister commanded majority support, Johnson would be duty-bound to resign. But he could refuse to resign or recommend the name of any successor to the Queen.

 

A senior cabinet minister said: "Our opponents have flouted convention and there is nothing in the Fixed-term Parliaments Act that says you have to resign. The Queen is not going to fire the prime minister. She would dissolve parliament and let the people decide."

 

The last time a monarch sacked a prime minister was in 1834, when William IV dismissed Lord Melbourne."

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The Telegraph also says that if he does have to ask for a delay to A50 he'll "sabotage the EU" :o Sounds like he'll make life as hard as he can for the EU in the next few months if he has to get an extension. Speculation is that he'll just veto anything and everything and delay payments to them and try to make sure they're so angry that they don't agree to any more extensions after this if needed. Boris is angry and like a cornered rat and unpredictable, one journalist said on TV last night. He wants to crash out with no deal but his hands are tied.

 

 

"Boris Johnson would veto the EU’s seven-year budget and send a Eurosceptic commissioner to Brussels to “disrupt” the bloc’s workings if he were forced into a Brexit delay, under plans being discussed by ministers.

 

Senior Government figures are considering a series of proposals to “sabotage” the EU’s structures if Brussels refuses to agree a new deal or let Mr Johnson deliver Brexit without one.

 

Two Cabinet ministers told this newspaper that they were among those backing a more “aggressive” approach towards Brussels.

 

It is understood that plans under discussion include blocking the EU’s 2021-27 budget, which is due to be agreed early next year, and nominating a British commissioner who would..."

 

 

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Let’s just arrest him anyway, there are enough reasons.

Let’s just arrest him anyway, there are enough reasons.

 

 

Why? He'll ask for the extension but no-one can stop him disrupting the workings of the EU to annoy them. That's not against the law. Haven't I said for ages that we're too soft with them and should put our foot down and be more aggressive? Trump said the same. Maybe he's had a word and told Boris to get tougher. Sounds like Boris will do this now. May was too soft with them.

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