November 1, 20195 yr So we should go ahead just in case it works out OK? No, I'm still not convinced it's a good idea. You'll have to try harder. At least I'm prepared to give Brexit a chance, rather than go cower in a 'safe space'. :w00t:
November 20, 20195 yr Yeah I support having the vote from. When I was in college I wanted to have the vote and the student union was campaigning for a lowered voting age.
November 23, 20195 yr 16 year olds should definitely be able to vote. If they can consent to sex and get pregnant/have kids, work, get married and leave home, they should be able to vote. Voting at that age is incredibly important as it can impact your potential prospects for the future including jobs/housing etc. Arguments such as; but there's low turnout, are quite silly. It's not about the turnout, but giving people to oppotunity to make decisions that will potentially affect their lives. We all have a lot of things we could do that we choose not to and if someone chooses not to vote then that's fine. In fact those that are 16-17 that will vote are more likely to be politically involved. The notion that "they don't know what their voting for" is such a weak argument against it. Most adults don't know either. :lol: There are so many people that I know that vote based on a few lines or promises made by politicians and don't give much thought about who they're going to vote for. Or those who just vote the same party all the time because "my parents/family always vote x and so have I". I feel it's something that's going to happen fairly soon and I hope it'll help to drive people to become more politically educated as a result.
November 23, 20195 yr 16 year olds should definitely be able to vote. If they can consent to sex and get pregnant/have kids, work, get married and leave home, they should be able to vote. Voting at that age is incredibly important as it can impact your potential prospects for the future including jobs/housing etc. Arguments such as; but there's low turnout, are quite silly. It's not about the turnout, but giving people to oppotunity to make decisions that will potentially affect their lives. We all have a lot of things we could do that we choose not to and if someone chooses not to vote then that's fine. In fact those that are 16-17 that will vote are more likely to be politically involved. The notion that "they don't know what their voting for" is such a weak argument against it. Most adults don't know either. :lol: There are so many people that I know that vote based on a few lines or promises made by politicians and don't give much thought about who they're going to vote for. Or those who just vote the same party all the time because "my parents/family always vote x and so have I". The reasons you've given for being allowed to vote at 16, would apply to even younger people too, but I think you'd agree that the line has to be drawn somewhere. :unsure:
November 23, 20195 yr Yes. At 16 :lol: Also, the arguments cannot be applied to even younger people. Read them again.
November 23, 20195 yr The reasons you've given for being allowed to vote at 16, would apply to even younger people too, but I think you'd agree that the line has to be drawn somewhere. :unsure: And that line should be 16.
November 23, 20195 yr And that line should be 16. Say it *did* become 16 - how long before people started pressing for it to be even lower?
November 23, 20195 yr Say it *did* become 16 - how long before people started pressing for it to be even lower? It won't. 16 is the age where a lot of legal rights change for teenagers. They're able to get married or register a civil partnership, consent to sexual activity with others aged 16 and over, work full-time, get a National Insurance number, join a trade union, join the Armed Forces, leave home, choose a GP, order their own passport, register to donate blood, and so on. Someone of an age able to marry and work should be able to vote.
November 23, 20195 yr Author They're able to get married Only marry under 18 with parental consent though. Edited November 23, 20195 yr by common sense
November 23, 20195 yr Only marry under 18 with parental consent though. WTF gets married at 16 anyway? :rolleyes:
November 23, 20195 yr Author WTF gets married at 16 anyway? :rolleyes: You'd be surprised Vid. Some run away to Gretna Green in Scotland to get round the Law as it's legal at 16 in Scotland.
November 23, 20195 yr It won't. 16 is the age where a lot of legal rights change for teenagers. They're able to get married or register a civil partnership, consent to sexual activity with others aged 16 and over, work full-time, get a National Insurance number, join a trade union, join the Armed Forces, leave home, choose a GP, order their own passport, register to donate blood, and so on. Someone of an age able to marry and work should be able to vote. 100% this. Voting won't go lower than 16. Any other hard right arguments to protect your beloved landed gèntry tories vidcapper, ooor are you giving up on this?
November 23, 20195 yr Author 100% this. Voting won't go lower than 16. Any other hard right arguments to protect your beloved landed gèntry tories vidcapper, ooor are you giving up on this? I think you're a bit harsh on Vid Michael as not once has he ever said he's a Tory or ever voted Tory. :rolleyes:
November 24, 20195 yr You'd be surprised Vid. Some run away to Gretna Green in Scotland to get round the Law as it's legal at 16 in Scotland. But I suspect you can count on one hand the number of such marriages that last even 5 years... 100% this. Voting won't go lower than 16. Any other hard right arguments to protect your beloved landed gèntry tories vidcapper, ooor are you giving up on this? I see you've finally figured out the 'landed-gentry' blocker. :rolleyes: And why wouldn't it go lower - don't 14-15 yo's 'have a right to say how their country should be governed' too? I think you're a bit harsh on Vid Michael as not once has he ever said he's a Tory or ever voted Tory. :rolleyes: I keep telling him I've never *voted* Tory in my life, but he won't believe me.
November 24, 20195 yr No need to slippery slope this, 16 as pointed out is a key age for many different coming of age changes, so there’s the precedent, and that should include right to vote. We aren’t going to lower the others, we would not lower this.
November 24, 20195 yr No need to slippery slope this, 16 as pointed out is a key age for many different coming of age changes, so there’s the precedent, and that should include right to vote. We aren’t going to lower the others, we would not lower this. The main reason for most here to support votes at 16 is a purely partisan one, nothing to do with participation in the process! They believe it will help Labour, full stop! I'm 100% sure that if under-18's favoured the Tories, we wouldn't hear a peep! :rolleyes: Edited November 24, 20195 yr by vidcapper
November 24, 20195 yr They said this about giving woman the vote or any other clsss the vote but it's never a simplistic as that. Look at all those right wing labourites voting for Brexit and loving the British army and how 'our boys' will stop the 'terrorists' all that nonsense shows why the tories can continue to build a coalition to win power.
November 24, 20195 yr The main reason for most here to support votes at 16 is a purely partisan one, nothing to do with participation in the process! They believe it will help Labour, full stop! I'm 100% sure that if under-18's favoured the Tories, we wouldn't hear a peep! :rolleyes: And I suppose the fact that the Tories oppose it is not partisan at all :unsure:
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