Yeah, this isn't going to change until Labour starts seizing the narrative again.

 

looking forward to Starmer's plan to fix this being absolutely nothing and a tweet about solidarity with the hospitality industry.

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Interested to see how polling changes post-cummings. Although I don't think there will be any dramatic changes.

Why with all this negative coverage no doubt they will increase their lead to 30 points!

I'm not going to entertain the Cuntservatives having such a lead...

 

However I will say good to see the Green's getting a rise.

The UK and most of Europe has been moving steadily more and more to the right over the last few years - especially in terms of social conservatism and issues such as immigration. I can't see any way that can be arrested especially when lies become unpunished and we have a corrupt media who want to divide and rule. Anyone who raises their head above the parapet and tries to stand up for minorities becomes vilified and bullied. What with the introduction of GB news it's only going to get worse.

 

Interesting to see if anyone here has a more optimistic reading of the situation...

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Why with all this negative coverage no doubt they will increase their lead to 30 points!

As someone said on Mock The Week last night, Johnson could probably get away with murdering David Attenborough.

Haha! I should really watch Mock The Week more again!

I think Survation and Ipsos tend to be the safest bets to take seriously based on their track record comparing their polls to the GE results in the 2010s? I'm sure it was Survation who had the closest final poll for the last three GEs.

 

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Forensic from Starmer, good job the 'adults are back in the room'.

 

We can look forward to proper Pasokification instead of that awful break we had from it between 2015 and 2020.

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I think we're approaching crisis point.

 

I'd consider him doing way worse than Corbyn just by going level with him on approval ratings as surely one of the most advertised differences between the two is that Corbyn was more divisive yet mobilising (which looks worse on approval ratings which take into general feeling) while Starmer was supposed to be amenable to all.

This is why the right wing of the party has been so hostile, particularly to Beckett in the Unite tace. The BBC and the state have rushed to attack him, of course, as he threatens the status quo. It's time for a left wing Labour. I tried to tell Rooney that right wing neoliberal centralism was dea, but he wiuldn't hear of it!

Given he's had kid gloves treatment from the media compared to Cobyn, that is pretty abysmal IMO.

This is why the right wing of the party has been so hostile, particularly to Beckett in the Unite tace. The BBC and the state have rushed to attack him, of course, as he threatens the status quo. It's time for a left wing Labour. I tried to tell Rooney that right wing neoliberal centralism was dea, but he wiuldn't hear of it!

 

Or maybe there is a much simpler answer in the fact there has been a global pandemic. And lots of people don't like Beckett not because he is left-wing, but because the guy is so shady and will comfortably take people's money without actually doing anything.

Given he's had kid gloves treatment from the media compared to Cobyn, that is pretty abysmal IMO.

 

Why vote pound shop Tory when you can just vote for the real thing? He has permwnently damaged Labour's standing now, as he refused to attack thr Tories over anything, and now they are riding a high over vaccinations, when he should have held their feet to the fire over their MISMANAGEMENT of the pandemic. Now, people think they did wonderfully, and that it would have been worse under Corbyn, which is completely laughable. The NHS would have been receiving adequate funding under Labour for starters.

Why vote pound shop Tory when you can just vote for the real thing? He has permwnently damaged Labour's standing now, as he refused to attack thr Tories over anything, and now they are riding a high over vaccinations, when he should have held their feet to the fire over their MISMANAGEMENT of the pandemic. Now, people think they did wonderfully, and that it would have been worse under Corbyn, which is completely laughable. The NHS would have been receiving adequate funding under Labour for starters.

 

Yeah good point, but Labour would have to get elected first. Which they failed at, three times over the past 11 years. So just one major problem here..

Yeah good point, but Labour would have to get elected first. Which they failed at, three times over the past 11 years. So just one major problem here..

 

They'd have done it in 2017 if not for DOCUMENTED SABOTAGE and in 2019 if not for a fractured left vs a right wing in perfect synergy, thanks to Tories moving towards authoritarianism and being hard right which impressed Farage, and the ENTIRE BRITISH STATE COMING DOWN ON HIM FOR DARING TO THREATEN THE NEOLIBERAL THATCHERITE MODEL OF SOCIETY. Oh, and Brexit. What excuse does your option, Starmer have? None. We've tried it your way, now let's go back to trying it mine, which had FAR more success. Remember those rallies? ;)

 

Starmer is just compliant opposition, there to offer no real choice but to offer a veneer of democracy to this one party state.

They'd have done it in 2017 if not for DOCUMENTED SABOTAGE and in 2019 if not for a fractured left vs a right wing in perfect synergy, thanks to Tories moving towards authoritarianism and being hard right which impressed Farage, and the ENTIRE BRITISH STATE COMING DOWN ON HIM FOR DARING TO THREATEN THE NEOLIBERAL THATCHERITE MODEL OF SOCIETY. Oh, and Brexit. What excuse does your option, Starmer have? None. We've tried it your way, now let's go back to trying it mine, which had FAR more success. Remember those rallies? ;)

 

Starmer is just compliant opposition, there to offer no real choice but to offer a veneer of democracy to this one party state.

 

So basically just excuses then :lol: Which is exactly what people are making for Starmer's performance!? :lol: And don't get me started on the those bloody rallies. That's like saying there is a mass anti-lockdown & anti-vaccine movement just because people are attending a "protest". Could it not just be that it is appealing to a niche? But that can't be it as Jeremy Corbyn is the greater winner of them all, expect for the fact he was a serial loser. The true Everton Football Club of the political world - winning without actually winning!

When the game is rigged, you can't expect us to win! It is rigged, I'm sorey, but it is, and even so we WOULD HAVE STILL DONE IT IF NOT FOR ANY OF THESE FACTORS: 1. Tory brexshit 2. The entire state coming down on Corbyn 3. Labour sabotage. Reove one amd Corbyn would have won, even in the rigged game.

When the game is rigged, you can't expect us to win! It is rigged, I'm sorey, but it is, and even so we WOULD HAVE STILL DONE IT IF NOT FOR ANY OF THESE FACTORS: 1. Tory brexshit 2. The entire state coming down on Corbyn 3. Labour sabotage. Reove one amd Corbyn would have won, even in the rigged game.

 

Every different leader faces challenges and adversities, Corbyn lost, not once but twice. Anything else is just an excuse, the definition of madness is trying something again and again until it works. Corbyn was not well liked, you can argue he was sabotaged or maybe just maybe, he sabotaged his own party so much over his political career that those people came back to bite him on the arse, karma is a bitch.

Corbyn would have been a diabolical PM. Sure better than Johnson but thats like being asked if you would prefer to die by firing squad or being burned at the stake. Both are grim options