February 9, 20206 yr Mainstream artists do it ALL the time and always claim they don’t do this shit even though it’s obviously not true. They will always get away with it too just because it’s the numbers game and artists like Jonna don’t have the same reach and resources. I think that calling out plagiarism publicly like this makes the playing field a bit more leveled as the label’s private response would’ve certainly been either silence or “lol bitch Who r u again? Talk to us when you have a million insta followers”. I can’t at most of Paramore loons on twitter claiming she didn’t do shit having never even seen the videos being referred to........ :|
February 9, 20206 yr Also it doesn’t mean there was no plagiarism if there’s a certain special meaning behind each story - you can put whatever spin on anything and work a particular scene into your narrative. Jonna always has meaning behind everything too (surprise surprise!) and each video is part of the story.
February 9, 20206 yr The similarities (at least the ones I've seen highlighted on twitter) are a stretch though like filming in minimalistic houses or forests, using imagery from nature etc they're pretty generic especially for low budget music videos etc. I think Hayley is genuine in what she said in her video and if you know the backstory behind this body of work and how it came about it makes no sense for any of it to have been plagiarised :/ I think if there was any truth in ionna's claims she could have delt with it privately and professionally rather than stooping to twitter to put out an indirect tweet, it'll have gotten her a bit of attention though. I don't think that is fair, especially as most of the 'attention' is people discrediting her art and insulting her on Twitter. It's clearly a frustrating situation as an independent artist, and they're always at a disadvantage legally and privately. It's less about generic shots and how the entire visual storytelling is similar — it has become increasingly apparent with each video. Perhaps the comparisons are easier to spot if you're someone who has followed iamamiwhoami from the beginning — it's undeniable to me, and obviously others too. I do believe she genuinely didn't know, but that doesn't stop someone on her team knowing. The production company and director follow iamamiwhoami on Youtube.
February 9, 20206 yr I do believe she genuinely didn't know, but that doesn't stop someone on her team knowing. The production company and director follow iamamiwhoami on Youtube. oof yeah this is baaaadddd, I do feel for Hayley though - she would never knowingly do anything like this and has just been screwed over by producers
February 9, 20206 yr I don't think that is fair, especially as most of the 'attention' is people discrediting her art and insulting her on Twitter. It's clearly a frustrating situation as an independent artist, and they're always at a disadvantage legally and privately. It's less about generic shots and how the entire visual storytelling is similar — it has become increasingly apparent with each video. Perhaps the comparisons are easier to spot if you're someone who has followed iamamiwhoami from the beginning — it's undeniable to me, and obviously others too. I do believe she genuinely didn't know, but that doesn't stop someone on her team knowing. The production company and director follow iamamiwhoami on Youtube. Attention both good and bad, a lot of Paramore fans who didn't know her will have checked out her work out of curiousity at the very least. I didn't know who she was until all this even though I'd heard of iamwhoiam. It's like Hayley said in her video, this stuff happens all the time - art is always gonna inspire other art whether the artist directly knows of the influence or not like I saw a post comparing both Hayley and jonnas stuff to bjork, kate bush etc even lady gaga with the bath visual. There's always gonna be some way you can trace stuff back, it doesn't mean it's plagiarism and I genuinely think if Hayley knew of jonna beforehand or that her team knew of her she would have credited. I still don't think the similarities are that apparent but then im not as familiar with jonna or iamwhoiam. Hayley isn't exactly mainstream either, especially as a solo artist even if her name is more known but like even the way she's rolled out this album with giving so many songs at once, releasing it in parts, dropping songs in the middle of the day/week etc it's clear she doesn't care about numbers or views or doing it by the book to get maximum attention. I genuinely believe this album only exists as a means to help Hayley deal with the stuff she's written about which is what I meant by it not making sense for her to intentionally copy someone else - something people who have followed Hayley/Paramore for a while will probs agree with just knowing how it all came together. I hate the twitter Stan culture of putting artists and fan bases against one another when shit like this happens like it's unfortunate but I really don't think Hayley is to blame here, if anyone is it will be her label or the likes as has been mentioned above :/
February 9, 20206 yr Attention both good and bad, a lot of Paramore fans who didn't know her will have checked out her work out of curiousity at the very least. I didn't know who she was until all this even though I'd heard of iamwhoiam. It's like Hayley said in her video, this stuff happens all the time - art is always gonna inspire other art whether the artist directly knows of the influence or not like I saw a post comparing both Hayley and jonnas stuff to bjork, kate bush etc even lady gaga with the bath visual. There's always gonna be some way you can trace stuff back, it doesn't mean it's plagiarism and I genuinely think if Hayley knew of jonna beforehand or that her team knew of her she would have credited. I still don't think the similarities are that apparent but then im not as familiar with jonna or iamwhoiam. Hayley isn't exactly mainstream either, especially as a solo artist even if her name is more known but like even the way she's rolled out this album with giving so many songs at once, releasing it in parts, dropping songs in the middle of the day/week etc it's clear she doesn't care about numbers or views or doing it by the book to get maximum attention. I genuinely believe this album only exists as a means to help Hayley deal with the stuff she's written about which is what I meant by it not making sense for her to intentionally copy someone else - something people who have followed Hayley/Paramore for a while will probs agree with just knowing how it all came together. I hate the twitter Stan culture of putting artists and fan bases against one another when shit like this happens like it's unfortunate but I really don't think Hayley is to blame here, if anyone is it will be her label or the likes as has been mentioned above :/ First of all, *iamamiwhoami. I don't think anyone was saying Hayley is a mainstream whore who is only here for chart hits and coins. This has nothing to do with plagiarism. I really believe Hayley herself wasn't in the know but this would mean that her team decided on the execution of the videos and played a HUGE role. So this is all a bit "and i ooop". 26k+ instagram followers vs 2m+. Several Top 40 hits in the US/UK with two Top 2 albums in the US. And she was number ONE in the US 10 years ago come on! Jonna/iamamiwhoami had none even denting Top 100. I wouldn't pull a 'she's not mainstream either' card. She isn't Gaga but she has a FAR bigger audience she can reach. With active Paramore fanbase migrating to the solo project she already had a huge number on board before she was even able to release anything. Edited February 9, 20206 yr by *CENSORED*
February 9, 20206 yr Attention both good and bad, a lot of Paramore fans who didn't know her will have checked out her work out of curiousity at the very least. I didn't know who she was until all this even though I'd heard of iamwhoiam. It's like Hayley said in her video, this stuff happens all the time - art is always gonna inspire other art whether the artist directly knows of the influence or not like I saw a post comparing both Hayley and jonnas stuff to bjork, kate bush etc even lady gaga with the bath visual. There's always gonna be some way you can trace stuff back, it doesn't mean it's plagiarism and I genuinely think if Hayley knew of jonna beforehand or that her team knew of her she would have credited. I still don't think the similarities are that apparent but then im not as familiar with jonna or iamwhoiam. Hayley isn't exactly mainstream either, especially as a solo artist even if her name is more known but like even the way she's rolled out this album with giving so many songs at once, releasing it in parts, dropping songs in the middle of the day/week etc it's clear she doesn't care about numbers or views or doing it by the book to get maximum attention. I genuinely believe this album only exists as a means to help Hayley deal with the stuff she's written about which is what I meant by it not making sense for her to intentionally copy someone else - something people who have followed Hayley/Paramore for a while will probs agree with just knowing how it all came together. I hate the twitter Stan culture of putting artists and fan bases against one another when shit like this happens like it's unfortunate but I really don't think Hayley is to blame here, if anyone is it will be her label or the likes as has been mentioned above : It seems more like quickly skimming through an artists work to find something to discredit their Tweet than genuine curiosty — going from all of the mentions on Twitter at least. Of course, it's near impossible to create something truly original and art will always inspire other artists — subconsciously or not, and Jonna included. I think this situation is different though as the visual storytelling has become increasingly similar to one artist in particular — an independent artist with a small following the production company actively followed and knew of. Like I said, I don't think Hayley knew and I'm not trying to discredit her album. I'm sure the work is all very personal to her, but someone on her team has been very inspired and perhaps hoped it wouldn’t be noticed. Edited February 9, 20206 yr by blacksquare
February 9, 20206 yr First of all, *iamamiwhoami. I don't think anyone was saying Hayley is a mainstream whore who is only here for chart hits and coins. This has nothing to do with plagiarism. I really believe Hayley herself wasn't in the know but this would mean that her team decided on the execution of the videos and played a HUGE role. So this is all a bit "and i ooop". 26k+ instagram followers vs 2m+. Several Top 40 hits in the US/UK with two Top 2 albums in the US. And she was number ONE in the US 10 years ago come on! Jonna/iamamiwhoami had none even denting Top 100. I wouldn't pull a 'she's not mainstream either' card. She isn't Gaga but she has a FAR bigger audience she can reach. With active Paramore fanbase migrating to the solo project she already had a huge number on board before she was even able to release anything. Oops I was rush replying on my break before, sorry. I wasn't pulling any sort of card and I'm not trying to blindly defend like if the evidence is there the evidence is there I just don't think it's as straight forward as Hayley stealing someone else's work and I'm just explaining my thoughts on it - we obviously come from very opposite ends of the issue but let me just say now I'm not going to get into an argument over it, I'm only discussing it so you don't need to be so sharp with your points etc, I get what you're saying :lol: but yea Paramore are huge in their scene and have made a name for themselves, of course I realise Hayley is known not just within the Paramore fanbase but she's done collaborations before, I'm sure most people know her as paramore's front woman at least even if they don't know their music etc so I'm not saying her and jonna are on the same level at all. I said it myself, I didn't know who jonna was even as is the case with a lot of people unless they follow iamamiwhoami, I imagine. It's just unfortunate because obviously on one hand you've got jonna upset for feeling like her work is being exploited but on the other side Hayley will feel kinda betrayed if it comes back that someone has purposely tried to replicate what jonna has done. I think Hayley is an artist who wants everything to be her own though and have her own mark and ensure she's the one calling the shots so for her to go along with a concept that came from her label seems a bit odd but hey maybe she thought it was completely original and loved the idea. I know she's been inspired in general by nature and sort of obscure representations of femininity so maybe she was talking about that and whoever she was explaining that to made the connection to jonna. I really don't think she was bullshitting us in that insta video. The thing is were never gonna know for sure at this stage what happened unless someone does come forward but hopefully the issue can be resolved amicably.
March 11, 20206 yr A version of Simmer with Caroline Polacheck is reportedly coming on Friday SO much yes to this, Caroline's tweet suggests a remix but still here for it!
March 11, 20206 yr I know she's got other artists involved with the album too which is exciting! I love Caroline as well so I'm looking forward to whatever she's done with simmer :lol:
March 13, 20206 yr Author Hayley also confirmed that a song 'Roses/Lotus/Violet/Iris' on the album will feature Boygenius! (the project of Lucy Dacus, Phoebe Bridgers and Julien Baker).
March 19, 20206 yr was just about to post this! it's not bad but it's not hit me from the first listen, her vocals towards the end of it though >>>
March 21, 20206 yr I wasn't feeling anything from this project so far (I'm a Paramore fan so I didn't like that this was the case) but 'Roses/Lotus/Violet/Iris' is the first one to click with me :o yay!
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