So 49% voted for pro remain parties! 50% of the list votes.

 

What will be your excuse in 3/4 years then Roo?

So 49% voted for pro remain parties! 50% of the list votes.

 

What will be your excuse in 3/4 years then Roo?

 

From what? I'd like Scotland to stay in the Union and I'm in the camp still another referendum is too soon, but I don't have a strong opinion either way as it won't really affect my daily life. So if that is what Scots truly want then it's fine.

 

I'm just pointing out that I'm not sure strategically post covid is really the best time to hold a referendum. It makes the campaign easy for the opposition if economically things are not too good and independence is not going to be cheap. Like I've said before, there is the currency issue which I don't believe the SNP have a firm plan that is not pie in the sky. And whatever they do is going to drastically increase interest rates in the short term which can create a whole host of problems at the best of times, not least when our economy is not particularly strong right now. I'm sure Silas will tear this argument to pieces, which is fine, but you're going to end up with a similar situation like Brexit where a lot of the ideology outweighs the actual reality.

I’m just aware you are a centre right unionist lol. Only Joking though!

 

I agree though I think it’s a mistake for Sturgeon to call for a second referendum this evening before all the votes are even counted I believe it may annoy the electorate who vote snp but not independence. But maybe I’m too cautious and she’s right to grab this chance. I’m mean who knows the situation in 5 years?

I’m just aware you are a centre right unionist lol. Only Joking though!

 

I agree though I think it’s a mistake for Sturgeon to call for a second referendum this evening before all the votes are even counted I believe it may annoy the electorate who vote snp but not independence. But maybe I’m too cautious and she’s right to grab this chance. I’m mean who knows the situation in 5 years?

 

It is absolutely the right time - parallels with end of WWII and 'winning the peace' with Labour returned in a massive majority in July 1945 with 'rebuilding new society and welfare state' as its cornerstone campaign.

 

It's now or never IMO.

I’m just aware you are a centre right unionist lol. Only Joking though!

 

I agree though I think it’s a mistake for Sturgeon to call for a second referendum this evening before all the votes are even counted I believe it may annoy the electorate who vote snp but not independence. But maybe I’m too cautious and she’s right to grab this chance. I’m mean who knows the situation in 5 years?

 

yes as DB says, I believe she is using it as a now or never. Who knows really, I guess you have to strike while the iron is hot but I don't think indepence will be as sure a thing as some people want and if it doesn't happen this time, not sure we will see another vote again for 30+ years.

It is absolutely the right time - parallels with end of WWII and 'winning the peace' with Labour returned in a massive majority in July 1945 with 'rebuilding new society and welfare state'

 

It's now or never IMO.

 

Agreed. The negatives of brexit will become even more apparant as the pandemic restrictions ease, which will be an easy target for the SNP during the campaign.

It’s finely balanced all right, I just hope it happens because after today I don’t think I can wait until 2024 until another 12 hour Huw Edwards master class!!

Agreed. The negatives of brexit will become even more apparant as the pandemic restrictions ease, which will be an easy target for the SNP during the campaign.

 

Going to be really funny when the SNP start labelling the Union campaign as Project Fear when it comes to the currency question.

If they learn anything from Tories and Brexit it’s boldness paid off. A majority for SNP and Greens is a ringing endorsement of a referendum as there were plenty of Unionist parties to choose from!

 

I would wait for COVID to fully subside (or as much as it will to allow “normal” living) then Go for it.

Im not wasting my time ripping your argument to shreds Roo because when it comes to indyref2 you literally don’t matter. You’re not going to have a vote and so your opinion on our economics and currency plans matters as much as that of Kim Jong Un or Joe Biden. I mean no offence (well a little because I’d listen to a 3 year old over a Tory when it comes to economics, they talk more sense) it’s just a waste of my Time and Your Time me trying to convince you of the merit of an argument that is further to the left economically than you have ever shown evidence of being. It’s futile and you don’t have a vote so why waste both of our time?

 

Wonder if this is a mistake - people who don’t want it but vote snp will be polarised! And counting all today’s votes as an example there is a unionist majority - maybe needs to build the case again for a few years?

There is no one voting to start the 15th year of SNP Government in Scotland who isn’t EXTREMELY AWARE that this indyref2 was coming and that any vote for the SNP was explicitly a mandate for it.

 

The unionist media doesn’t let Scotland think about *anything else*. This whole election campaign has been unionist media going „but what about indyref2?“ to the SNP and the only policy put forward by Dross is „vote us to stop indyref2“ which is the exact same platform they stood on at the 2015 GE, 2016 Holyrood, 2017 GE, Euros, 2019 GE, and inexplicably the Council elections too. And guess what, they were f***in hammered each time.

 

 

The people of Scotland are well aware of what we voted for.

Going to be really funny when the SNP start labelling the Union campaign as Project Fear when it comes to the currency question.

Where do you think project fear comes from roo????????????????

 

Brexshit co-opted it from the OG indyref. the No camp deployed it and it worked so The exact same people (hi David Cameron) then deployed it in the brexshit ref where it didn’t.

 

 

SNP and the Yes camp have been talking about unionist project fear for over 7 years already. We never stopped calling out the unionists project fear

Let’s hope your right, the tories talked it up so they would cement their second place which I’m sure they can’t believe their luck in falling into since 2015 after 50 years of Scotland hating the tories. And the tactical voting worries me too!

I am so not worried right now. The SNP won the list vote in Shetland. f***ing Shetland of all places. AND that’s with a green list vote in the high 9% range.

 

There will be a pro Indy majority. The fact that the bbc cut the election coverage and dross is hiding in a fridge clearly demonstrates that to be a fact. If there was even a 0.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% chance of the number of pro Indy MSPs being 64 or less then bbc would have 24hr News coverage of it and the Papers would be full of dross claiming victory and crowning himself FM. As it stands Baroness Ruth „on literally every Tory leaflet“ Davidson is currently claiming she had nothing at all to do with the Tory campaign and fleeing from it as fast as she can grab her ermine

Im not wasting my time ripping your argument to shreds Roo because when it comes to indyref2 you literally don’t matter. You’re not going to have a vote and so your opinion on our economics and currency plans matters as much as that of Kim Jong Un or Joe Biden. I mean no offence (well a little because I’d listen to a 3 year old over a Tory when it comes to economics, they talk more sense) it’s just a waste of my Time and Your Time me trying to convince you of the merit of an argument that is further to the left economically than you have ever shown evidence of being. It’s futile and you don’t have a vote so why waste both of our time?

There is no one voting to start the 15th year of SNP Government in Scotland who isn’t EXTREMELY AWARE that this indyref2 was coming and that any vote for the SNP was explicitly a mandate for it.

 

The unionist media doesn’t let Scotland think about *anything else*. This whole election campaign has been unionist media going „but what about indyref2?“ to the SNP and the only policy put forward by Dross is „vote us to stop indyref2“ which is the exact same platform they stood on at the 2015 GE, 2016 Holyrood, 2017 GE, Euros, 2019 GE, and inexplicably the Council elections too. And guess what, they were f***in hammered each time.

The people of Scotland are well aware of what we voted for.

 

Which is all very well and good but I'm not a Tory. And so what if anyone is? This is a huge part of how we're in the mess we're in across the country- but that's another point entirely. Everyone is given a label and immediately labelled as something. I get your passion on the subject and while we may not see eye to eye imo you lose the debate here when you start resulting to personal attacks.

 

My opinion on the currency situation is one that I don't believe is stable right now. Hence I suspect it is an easy target for the Union Parties. You can't deny that in any event interest rates are going to increase for consumers and public spending will have to be cut back.

Lol the UK media is such a joke you have to laugh. But it's also embarrassing.

 

I would love to see someone actually drag them instead of the constant panicking about what would be the most POLITE way to SUGGEST something might be up.

Which is all very well and good but I'm not a Tory. And so what if anyone is?.

 

I mean, their platform is literally to lie, cheat, steal and commit treason.

It’s true, Scotland must be the only country in the world where the governing party wins by 20 plus points for a fourth time in a row and yet the opposition say with a straight face the public has rejected their core policy.

Honestly so embarrassed at Rennie winning my home seat and then standing up and being all like how this result means Scotland has shown without a doubt it doesn’t want indyref2. Honestly I could smash my head through a brick wall.

 

NE Fife, as even the BBC Scotland commentary said, is not a representative seat of Scotland. Has a Long history of Voting representative over Party. (Ming Campbell being the primary example. Still extremely well liked to this day)

 

His party have 5% nationally and are gonna end up in 5th and lose the election by a landslide. Unthinkable for a party that used to prop up Labour govs in Holyrood. And he thinks that is resounding evidence that the party in First with a 50% vote share can’t implement its manifesto commitments.

 

Make it make sense. Unionist logic is f***ed. As you say Steve, only country where a party can walk out with half the voter share, double the vote of the runner up, and still be told that means it can’t implement its manifesto

That’s fife for you

Shona Robison has comfortably held on to Dundee City East for the SNP.

 

Her majority increased to 13,337.

 

my end of dundee SLAYING