Oh, wow. Japan signing a deal makes it completely okay to break international law then.

 

You still sound so incredibly moronic.

UK is so desperate at this point they will agree to anything. Let’s wait and see the actual details of the agreement before claiming this is going to be the best thing ever lmaooooooo

Important that it's been agreed in principle, not ratified yet.

 

One of the ten benefits advertised as part of that deal is "more malt". I see they were struggling to fill the spaces. Along with keeping the ever important Stilton exports to Japan. And I would guess it's been done so quickly because Japan has a good car industry to export to us...

 

Good points are a commitment to net neutrality and good data two-way working, and financial services, sure. Bad points are that despite that, unquantifiable rhetoric, and minor tweaking like the Stilton stuff it's mostly a complete rollover of what we already had with EU-Japan. British exports to Japan are about 5% of what we export to the EU, and we really don't want to encourage emissions caused by too much physical movement of goods and people between the two countries, so you'd better hope there's more than this lined up.

Who cares about pollution. Overblown British ego is involved so nothing else matters.

Further to that, I also can't find any reference to the Paris Climate Agreement being in this deal which was, for the EU-Japan deal, a historic first and now a component of all EU trade deals.

The EU-Japan trade deal scrapped tariffs on Japanese cars.....

 

Imagine being so desperate to celebrate a provisional agreement on a copy/paste that has been lightly tinkered with.

The EU-Japan trade deal scrapped tariffs on Japanese cars.....

 

Imagine being so desperate to celebrate a provisional agreement on a copy/paste that has been lightly tinkered with.

 

Tariffs for Japanese cars won't be scrapped until 2026 in the EU. The same as the UK. That could be a problem though as why would Japan manufacture cars in the UK in the future once tarriffs become zero? They can just manufacture them in Japan and then ship them to the UK. It'll be cheaper for them to do that.

 

 

Were most of the remainers not culled last year?

 

Like that massive FBPE fanboy Michael Howard?

 

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Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson's plea to MPs to back him in his controversial Brexit plans descended into farce this evening as his Zoom call was hit by technical problems, singing politicians and interventions from Theresa May.

 

The Prime Minister is said to have made a "patriotic call" to his party in a bid to head off a growing rebellion over his decision to threaten the EU by breaking parts of the Withdrawal Agreement.

 

But when the Zoom call attended by 256 MPs suddenly broke off after twenty minutes, the online forum descended into chaos as MP Michael Fabricant started singing Rule Britannia, clutching a piece of paper with the words already printed out.

 

Ex-chair of the eurosceptic European Research Group, Steve Baker, also suggested he should personally chair the meeting instead, at which point former prime minister May interrupted to say a firm "no".

 

She also leapt to the defence of Justice Secretary Robert Buckland when he was asked by restless MPs to give an explanation of why the government is deciding to breach international law, saying "he probably doesn't want to talk about that".

 

One source on the call told PoliticsHome the whole meeting had a lot of "cringe moments" and had probably failed to stop the expected rebellion of Tory MPs.

 

The said: "Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson framed this as a patriotic request. The main thrust of it was vote for his bill and strengthen the government's hand in negotiations with the EU and accept he has to disapply legacy EU law.

 

"He also said we must not return to the squabbling of last autumn, and I could see Theresa May looking angry. People could definitely see the irony of that.

 

"We were muted but when the No 10 line went down you could all control your own mute button. That's when Fabricant started singing Rule Britannia. He said 'I've got the words here' and he had it right in front of him.

 

"Buckland was asked to give a legal explanation but Theresa May said he probably doesn't want to talk about that. Since we couldn't ask questions we couldn't get anything clarified anyway.

 

"When Johnson came back on the line he joked that he should probably invest in gigabit broadband."

 

Another MP said Johnson was basically asking them not to rebel against him, which some felt was a rich ask considering his own very public criticism of Mrs May's deal and negotiation with the EU throughout her time in office.

 

They said the message they took from the call was "don't do to me as I did to Theresa May".

 

MPs suggested this evening that he had not done enough to thwart the looming Tory rebellion when his plan goes to the vote as part of the Internal Markets Bill.

 

An amendment to the legislation tabled by Sir Bob Neill, chair of the justice select committee, would put a "parliamentary lock" on any changes to the Withdrawal Agreement is said to have the support of 30 MPs so far.

 

However MPs doubted that there would eventually be enough numbers to bring down the bill.

 

"We will see over the weekend but I don't think they'll get the numbers," said one MP.

 

Here comes the in-fighting... in all honesty all of the new Tory MPs and the Eurosceptic MPs will probably be loyal.. guess we will see how much respect some Tory MPs have for breaking an international treaty.

Yeh that decision will destroy their wee right wing hearts - rule of law of their perceived view of democracy 😂

But when the Zoom call attended by 256 MPs suddenly broke off after twenty minutes, the online forum descended into chaos as MP Michael Fabricant started singing Rule Britannia, clutching a piece of paper with the words already printed out.

 

Ex-chair of the eurosceptic European Research Group, Steve Baker, also suggested he should personally chair the meeting instead, at which point former prime minister May interrupted to say a firm "no".

 

She also leapt to the defence of Justice Secretary Robert Buckland when he was asked by restless MPs to give an explanation of why the government is deciding to breach international law, saying "he probably doesn't want to talk about that".

 

One source on the call told PoliticsHome the whole meeting had a lot of "cringe moments" and had probably failed to stop the expected rebellion of Tory MPs.

 

This reads like a satire article :lol:

 

But that's revealing of the state of mind in the Tory party. I can't see there being too many rebels all told but may they make their voices heard as long as our government continues with plans to break international law.

 

The best bit is when they tried to get ex-Solicitor General and current Justice secretary Robert Buckland to talk the zoom meeting through the legal aspects of the proposed legislation.

 

He refused to unmute himself, according to several people tuned in.

 

:lol:

CNN's view on the Brexit situation. From CNN online.

 

In the four years that have passed since Britain voted to leave the European Union, business executives have consistently delivered one message to the country's political leaders: Do not under any circumstances crash out of our largest export market without a deal to protect trade.

 

Now, after painstaking negotiations that resulted in an amicable divorce with the European Union earlier this year, Prime Minister Boris Johnson has instigated a confrontation with Brussels that could turn the nightmare "no-deal" scenario for business into reality.

The UK government said this week that it intends to break the terms of the divorce agreement that settled the country's departure from the European Union at the end of January. EU officials have given Johnson until the end of this month to abandon his would-be violation of international law.

 

Boris Johnson's government is threatening to breach international law. It could backfire spectacularly

If he refuses, negotiations on a UK-EU trade deal to replace the transitional agreement that expires at the end of 2020 are likely to collapse, risking border chaos and food shortages, an end to the country's fragile recovery from its deepest recession on record and years of tepid growth to follow.

What's more, intentionally breaking international law would make other countries think twice before offering the United Kingdom the free trade deals it desperately needs, damage the country's reputation as a standard bearer for the rule of law and make it a less attractive destination for startups and foreign investment.

 

"For a country, without any real thought about where it's going, to put so much up in the air is hugely unusual and it's hugely worrying," said David Henig, the UK director of the European Centre For International Political Economy.

 

There's no trading arrangement available to the United Kingdom that can deliver the benefits of continued membership in the European Union, the world's largest single market area and the destination for 43% of British exports. Leaving the bloc means higher costs for UK companies under any circumstances.

Already, years of uncertainty over the future terms of EU trade have damaged the UK economy. According to analysts at Berenberg, UK GDP grew at a respectable annual rate of 2.4% in the three years leading up to the June 2016 Brexit referendum. That slowed to 1.6% in the years since as business investment stagnated.

 

Having a new trade deal with the European Union would help limit further damage to businesses as they desperately attempt to recover from the coronavirus pandemic, which caused UK GDP to contract by over 20% in the second quarter, the worst slump on record and the deepest of any major developed economy.

 

The most damaging scenario, under which the United Kingdom does not secure a new trade agreement and the divorce deal is not honored, could snarl supply chains and cause huge disruption at the border, where customs systems would likely be overwhelmed. That could lead to shortages of food and medicine in Britain.

 

The UK government estimated in November 2018 that a disorderly end to Britain's trade relationship with the European Union would reduce output by 7.7% over the next 15 years compared to continued EU membership. And the shock to the pandemic-scarred economy would be immediate.

 

"A hard exit with few or no intermediate steps to manage the adjustment in key areas like goods trade and financial services could tip the UK back into recession in early 2021," said Berenberg economist Kallum Pickering in a research note this week.

Edited September 13, 20204 yr by Crazy Chris

Meanwhile Justice Secretary Robert Buckland has today said he'll resign if we break international law.

No he didn’t.

No he didn’t.

 

 

From BBC News.

 

Justice Secretary Robert Buckland has defended plans to potentially override the EU Withdrawal Agreement as an emergency Brexit "insurance policy".

 

He told the BBC he hoped powers being sought by ministers in the Internal Markets Bill would never be needed, as a solution could be found with the EU.

 

He said he would resign if the UK ended up breaking international law "in a way I find unacceptable".

„I will resign if we break the law in a way I find unacceptable“ is not the same as „if we break international law“. Far from it. The spineless morally and ethically bankrupt wankstain won’t be going anywhere.

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Then why the FUCK did our PM get Parliament to sign up to an International treaty which not only allowed such an outcome but specifically changed the previous version (Northern Ireland backstop) to this and claimed it was an 'oven ready deal' despite everyone pointing this exact thing out during the General Election? It's not as if Tezza hadn't completely rejected this in 2018 for this exact reason, and hence the backstop.

 

I mean, honesty how thick are these people?

„I will resign if we break the law in a way I find unacceptable“ is not the same as „if we break international law“. Far from it. The spineless morally and ethically bankrupt wankstain won’t be going anywhere.

 

Totally agreed. It's a total PR move e.g. "it's not breaking the law if I don't think it is breaking the law". Twat.

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Then why the FUCK did our PM get Parliament to sign up to an International treaty which not only allowed such an outcome but specifically changed the previous version (Northern Ireland backstop) to this and claimed it was an 'oven ready deal' despite everyone pointing this exact thing out during the General Election? It's not as if Tezza hadn't completely rejected this in 2018 for this exact reason, and hence the backstop.

 

I mean, honesty how thick are these people?

Surely it is time for Johnson to sack the incompetent idiot who signed the treaty.