The Russian culture is very different to the Ukranian culture. Straight away you lose democracy and the right of free speech, so even though people would be able to stay in their homes, their lives would change and any major dissidents will be tortured, imprisoned or executed. Don't think Putin would waltz in to any of the Baltic states if they are under NATO membership, but if you keep on appeasing Putin who knows what will happen next. For all we know the next Putin waiting in line for succession could be even worse.

 

gosh. I didn't realise Russia was still like that. :/

And I also do not trust what is reported as the wishes of the Russian population and you should not either. You cannot trust them in a state where people are afraid to speak out against the government.

 

Russia's leadership is further right and more comparable to the Nazis than Ukraine's leadership, jesus.

 

Lie, again. Our anti-Kremlin opposition lied a lot about it, but they are free to speak everything against Putin, be pro-Ukraine in the conflict e.t.c.

 

As Russian resident I can say that the majority are support the independence, somewhere 10 % against it, because they are anti-Kremlin opposition and the same percentage of people (like me) who don't support Donbass for other reasons.

 

No, you are wrong. Just read about Stepan Bandera in Wikipedia, who is a hero of modern Ukraine. To be honesty I don't know how Poland can support Ukraine in this situation.

Edited February 24, 20223 yr by Last Dreamer

The Russian culture is very different to the Ukranian culture. Straight away you lose democracy and the right of free speech, so even though people would be able to stay in their homes, their lives would change and any major dissidents will be tortured, imprisoned or executed.

Did you know, people of my religious faith (Jehovah’s Witnesses) have been labelled as extremists by the Russian Orthodox Church and religious buildings have been seized by the Russian government since 2018 and individuals practicing their faith freely have been arrested, persecuted and imprisoned for their faith. This really affects me personally. :(

Lie, again. Our anti-Kremlin opposition lied a lot about it, but they are free to speak everything against Putin, be pro-Ukraine in the conflict e.t.c.

 

As Russian resident I can say that the majority are support the independence, somewhere 10 % against it, because they are anti-Kremlin opposition and the same percentage of people (like me) who don't support Donbass for other reasons.

 

No, you are wrong. Just read about Stepan Bandera in Wikipedia, who is a hero of modern Ukraine. To be honesty I don't know how Poland can support Ukraine in this situation.

 

Uh huh. Cool. Let's say you're right, that the Russian people aren't being intimidated into politically keeping quiet and 80% of them support the Donbass being independent and are being war cheerleaders for Putin. Let's say 99% of them want to march tanks into Kyiv and declare a new USSR. I don't care. Russia's actions are wrong, the territory is Ukrainian, and the Russian population are not going to be living in war-torn regions for the foreseeable future so they can quite frankly get to f***.

 

But I do believe that if Russia are properly sanctioned, they will not support the attack and I do believe that any reports of them being that much in support of the attack even now are very dubious and not to be trusted.

 

I am aware of Stepan Bandera. I do not believe his beliefs are informing the Ukrainian government's actions in the slightest.

Putin don't want to build new USSR, he even cancelled 7th November (important celebration for all pro-Soviet people like me).

 

There are almost nothing similar between Soviet Union and Russia (since 1992).

 

Soviet Union

1. no povetry and no very rich people

2. no unemployment

3. relatively developed industry

4. friendship between all nationalities from 15 republics

5. free education for everyone

6. free medicine for everyone

 

1,2,3 are obviously not about Russia (since 1992). 4 is 50\50, because there are a lot of conflicts between Russians and migrants from Asian ex-Soviet republics.

Also Caucasian peoples don't like Russians, even if they live and work in my home city. 5 and 6 are still true, but on more weaker level than in Soviet Union.

Edited February 24, 20223 yr by Last Dreamer

i honestly don’t see us getting involved

 

Well we involved are by helping Putin's cronies with dirty money laundering and appeasing by freezing a couple of bank accounts in way of sanctions.

I'm apolitical person (always was, always will), but this sitatuation makes me very sad. :cry: :cry:

 

I don't care about Ukraine and those two illegal republics, but in a current situation very worried about Belarus, Baltic sisters and our Kaliningrad Oblast.

It's scary to be between the sledge-hammer and the anvil. They didn't select to be a part of civil war in Ukraine and conflict between governments of United States and Russia.

Edited February 24, 20223 yr by Last Dreamer

I saw videos of bombs falling today. It was very intimidating. It reminded me of a book I read written by a woman living in Iran during the airstrikes.

 

Definitely frightening to think that some people have had targets ready and set to fall on places around the world at the push of a button for weeks if not years. The selfishness is just upsetting.

Lithuania's president has declared a state of emergency, according to the Reuters news agency.

Russia has been shit-stirring in other nations business same as China, same as the West. Main difference is the West aims to let nations choose their own destiny. Russia and China aim to make them do what they want them to do. Both have a very bad record on human rights. That means ethnic groups that don't fit in, being gay, religions. Wearing a suit and having a car and a job doesn't mean you believe in equality for all.

 

Both countries have very very rich people, Half of them live in London or have interests across the world, so the notion that they don't is as fake as Trump is, and has shown himself to be. Liars are liars. If Ukraine has a bad record on human rights it should be fairly easy to provide concrete examples. As soon as anyone speaks out against Russia they get murdered or closed down - this is a fact of life in the UK as "enemies" of Putin tend to have sudden deaths from radioactive materials or specialised Russian touch-sensitive poisons while persons from Russia are visiting the wonderful city of Salisbury to see it's world famous spire (not!). The British government has allowed this to go on - what the f*** sort of relationship did you think was building with Russia when things carried on as normal despite this. Shhh don't rock the boat, they are paying for us, it's fine, they'll never invade a neighbour against their wishes.

Regarding Russian people's attitude towards the war, the Finnish news correspondent wrote:

"It is difficult for Russians to understand how Russia can attack Ukraine, which it regards as "a brother nation".

 

Despite the propaganda spewed by the Kreml, many citizens oppose the war. Russian-language social media are flooded with expressions of sympathy for Ukraine. People are posting Ukrainian flags and calling for peace.

 

The decision to attack was made in a very small inner circle and came as a surprise to the entire Russian people - including those working in the country's administration.

 

The Kremlin has effectively dismantled the entire opposition in the country, preventing demonstrations from taking place and taking control of most of the media. There has been an attempt to silence the voices against the war in advance."

 

Also:

 

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So I think it doesn't bode well for the longer war domestically. But we'll see.

Edited February 24, 20223 yr by Sour Candy

I heard a rumour that Putin is terminal and this is why he is acting now to do these bold moves.

Apparently Eurovision NOT banning Russia from the contest! WTF? :manson:

 

https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2022/02/24/eurov...raine-invasion/

Apparently Eurovision NOT banning Russia from the contest! WTF? :manson:

 

https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2022/02/24/eurov...raine-invasion/

I have no words, flipping heck.

My cousin's wife is from Ukraine. Heard today that the airfields near her family's city was bombed this morning, so things have ended up getting a little close to home. I'm not sure if they're going to stick around or looking to get out of Ukraine.

What is the actual difference between Russia and Ukraine culturally etc?

I dont think its worth the world worrying about those two regions in Ukraine Russia has invaded, I mean most of the population there is pro-Russian probably anyway (correct me if I am wrong). I just hope any pro-Ukrainians have got out of the invaded regions already. I dont think Putin will invade any other part of Ukraine, as he will face lots of hostility there from pro-Ukranians.

 

How wrong I was! I thought Putin would only invade the two pro-Russian regions. Obviously Russia invading hostile pro-Ukrainian territory is completely out of order.

Edited February 24, 20223 yr by Ring Kollo

Is anyone else getting really concerned that once he has Ukraine he'll invade a NATO country, at which point we could be looking at land war with British soldiers in Europe?

I'd say he wouldn't dare unless one of them actually sends troops, but then I didn't expect it to go this far so who the hell knows :/

 

What a truly dark day, this should not be happening in the 21st Century.

so so sooooo devastated, guys

so sad to read it all and see it all

it really was sort of out of nowhere

I approve everything about 'brother nation' and stuff, all the people from my circle don't understand the real purpose of this step

I have some friends and relatives in Ukraine and wish everyone's well

and yeah, the level of fear among our citizens was never that high, fear to say smth that doesn't fit, fear for our future, fear for our neighbors...