October 24, 20204 yr OK I've gone current for a change - I don't THINK it's got veto written on it (though as I dont follow other blogs who knows, but the video only has 7801 views and 3 of those are me!), but as always I has an oldie ready just in case.....
October 24, 20204 yr I reconfirmed but I'm also challenging my veto - let me know xox This feels v. Hunger Games. FARC challenged the rules and ended up winning! Now the other countries are uprising against this brutal dictatorship!
October 24, 20204 yr OK I've gone current for a change - I don't THINK it's got veto written on it (though as I dont follow other blogs who knows, but the video only has 7801 views and 3 of those are me!), but as always I has an oldie ready just in case..... Do a lot of people follow these blogs? I didn't even know half of the ones listed existed lmao. I was drunk last night tbf. I don’t really take issue with you getting rid of Dagny BUT I think there is something to be said for two album tracks being vetoed because of the name of the person the song is tied to has received attention, but the first song I confirmed was triple confirmed and it remains - it is a song contest and not an artist contest after all. Despite it getting vetoed I just wanna thank you for introducing me to Bye Bye Baby. It's definitely a contender for #1 for me next week and would have surely gotten my 12 and 18 points. Stunning! :wub:
October 24, 20204 yr I honestly knew none of the songs that get vetoed lmao. I listened to Moment and Only A Heartbreak by Dagny which I really like, must check out the album!
October 24, 20204 yr This feels v. Hunger Games. FARC challenged the rules and ended up winning! Now the other countries are uprising against this brutal dictatorship! I personally think the blog coverage rule especially feels a bit harsh unless there has been a poll or something that proved that a substantial amount of BuzzJack users read these blogs? Maybe I'm just totally out of the loop here, I was thinking of maybe entering Dagny in the future because I had no idea how popular she was :lol:
October 24, 20204 yr I honestly knew none of the songs that get vetoed lmao. I listened to Moment and Only A Heartbreak by Dagny which I really like, must check out the album! I only knew two of the songs: MNEK's song and Camden Cox's song, and I feel that MNEK's song may be the only veto I can say I would veto too because he's a big name and literally had a number one just earlier this year. :lol: Camden Cox.. well, yes she came 2nd twice in the last thirty editions so that's understandable too but I hope her being on my chart didn't effect the veto because it peaked at #40 :lol: I don't know that Kelly song so no comment on that lol. Edited October 24, 20204 yr by devil tin coffin
October 24, 20204 yr False alarm, Aesthetica will be there! Found a cute, youthful pop moment for a replacement last night. Hoping it wasn’t taken and that you all fall in love with it as quickly as I did~
October 24, 20204 yr I personally think the blog coverage rule especially feels a bit harsh unless there has been a poll or something that proved that a substantial amount of BuzzJack users read these blogs? Maybe I'm just totally out of the loop here, I was thinking of maybe entering Dagny in the future because I had no idea how popular she was :lol: I guess it's a good way to make that rule of 'internet hype' tangible! Personally I don't go on any of those blogs unless I'm checking if a song will get past the veto :lol: but they tend to feature the songs that people on here talk about being in contention. Dagny is an artist I would avoid due to lots of posters knowing her, having a top 10 in the past, sampled on Never Really Over and I was aware of the album release but not that song. She's a fairly well known name for someone who doesn't have chart success in these circles.
October 24, 20204 yr Last time I had two main potentials and I submitted the more BJSC-friendly one. Got 16 points in the semi. Now I'll send the other one. Down with the vanilla bullshit!! :cheer:
October 24, 20204 yr The blog coverage points are about as scientific as we can make it. It’s always going to be highly subjective but that’s just the nature of the beast when trying to see how well known something is. Blogs named in the research aren’t ones that are specifically looked at, it’s just a curated highlights list of the „biggest“ blogs that we found the track on. Generally the more hits we get, the more points it gets because that’s a sign of how well known it is. If I’m on page 3 and all I’m getting is links to dodgy mp3 sites then you’re generally fine. If I’m on page 6 and Scandipop is only just now appearing, you in danger girl. And then there’s things that fall under mod discretion. Annie and Dagny don’t have huge chart success but they are huge names in pop circles like this, and as you can see from the thread a staggering number of people know the song or know the album already
October 24, 20204 yr So, I raised this briefly over PM, but I may as well put it in the thread too so folk can input. (Disclaimer upfront that I'm happy to reconfirm another entry, this is just a discussion inspired by the situation) The current veto framework has a caveat that when an act is the featured artist (designated as 'feat.'), the veto terms are reduced by 75%, and the veto value is 25% of what it would have been. At the time when that rule was made, that was the only way a collaboration was designated in the charts/releases. E.g. Eminem feat. Rihanna, David Guetta feat. Sia, and so on. Nowadays, in 2020, the default way to format a collaboration is as 'X artist WITH Y artist', or with the artist being 'X artist & Y artist'. (This being in order to get positioned prominently on each artist's streaming profile, rather than just one of their profiles) However, I would argue that this is just a formatting change, rather than actually a new kind of attribution. I feel this because, even if that's the format, the track is still formatted one way on the platforms it appears. E.g., the recent track 'Lets Love' by David Guetta & Sia, , rather than on both artists' channels. For that reason, I'd argue that these should count as collaborations and thus have the veto deduction applied to the artist that isn't the primary artist, indicated by hosting the video on their own platform.
October 24, 20204 yr I haven't even heard any of dagny's new stuff so woulda been new to me but eh shit happens i guess.
October 24, 20204 yr So, I raised this briefly over PM, but I may as well put it in the thread too so folk can input. (Disclaimer upfront that I'm happy to reconfirm another entry, this is just a discussion inspired by the situation) The current veto framework has a caveat that when an act is the featured artist (designated as 'feat.'), the veto terms are reduced by 75%, and the veto value is 25% of what it would have been. At the time when that rule was made, that was the only way a collaboration was designated in the charts/releases. E.g. Eminem feat. Rihanna, David Guetta feat. Sia, and so on. Nowadays, in 2020, the default way to format a collaboration is as 'X artist WITH Y artist', or with the artist being 'X artist & Y artist'. (This being in order to get positioned prominently on each artist's streaming profile, rather than just one of their profiles) However, I would argue that this is just a formatting change, rather than actually a new kind of attribution. I feel this because, even if that's the format, the track is still formatted one way on the platforms it appears. E.g., the recent track 'Lets Love' by David Guetta & Sia, , rather than on both artists' channels. For that reason, I'd argue that these should count as collaborations and thus have the veto deduction applied to the artist that isn't the primary artist, indicated by hosting the video on their own platform. It says „or a material impact on the song“ but absolutely nowhere does it state anything about it being designated as „feat“ nor is it written in a way that has a negative impact on the way these collaborations are presented for formatting purposes. Regardless of how it is presented, formatted or written it’s still where the featured or collaborated artist is a primary vocalist or has a material impact on the song then it’s full points all the way. This is how is has been applied consistently since I wrote it 4 years ago
October 24, 20204 yr isn't it genuinely a collab too? like i've only seen one occasion where someone who was top 5 the month before was able to be sent the next month in the whole time i've been in BJSC and that was very distinctly within the rules as silas said!
October 24, 20204 yr The current veto framework has a caveat that when an act is the featured artist (designated as 'feat.'), the veto terms are reduced by 75%, and the veto value is 25% of what it would have been. At the time when that rule was made, that was the only way a collaboration was designated in the charts/releases. E.g. Eminem feat. Rihanna, David Guetta feat. Sia, and so on. Nowadays, in 2020, the default way to format a collaboration is as 'X artist WITH Y artist', or with the artist being 'X artist & Y artist'. (This being in order to get positioned prominently on each artist's streaming profile, rather than just one of their profiles) However, I would argue that this is just a formatting change, rather than actually a new kind of attribution. I feel this because, even if that's the format, the track is still formatted one way on the platforms it appears. E.g., the recent track 'Lets Love' by David Guetta & Sia, , rather than on both artists' channels. For that reason, I'd argue that these should count as collaborations and thus have the veto deduction applied to the artist that isn't the primary artist, indicated by hosting the video on their own platform. Sorry but I don't think this is true at all - look at the Spotify top 10 right now: 1 positions by Ariana Grande 541,170 2 Mood (feat. iann dior) by 24kGoldn 448,104 3 Lemonade (feat. Gunna, Don Toliver & NAV) by Internet Money 404,790 4 Head & Heart (feat. MNEK) by Joel Corry 361,915 5 What You Know Bout Love by Pop Smoke 340,623 6 Ain't It Different (feat. AJ Tracey & Stormzy) by Headie One 306,702 7 WAP (feat. Megan Thee Stallion) by Cardi B 305,581 8 Really Love (feat. Craig David & Digital Farm Animals) by KSI 282,446 9 See Nobody by Wes Nelson, Hardy Caprio 268,768 10 you broke me first by Tate McRae 253,616 Out of 7 collabs there, 6 of them still use the 'featuring' tag and only one tags the artists as co-lead credits. Maybe 'X & Y' is more commonly used than it used to be but it's certainly not 'the default'. The degree to which a featured / collaborating artist impacts the song is already a consideration (basically see what Phil said) and if a song were to stack up over 25 points due to an abundance of equally credited collaborators in a way that seems overly harsh that can be covered by the mod discretion clause. In this case the Wankelmut song is over the veto threshold even if we do treat Jack Wins as a featured artist and I'd still have voted to veto it regardless.
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