January 23, 20214 yr Yes but America is still too right wing for Sanders to have won I think. Trump would have easily been able to portray Sanders as a communist (of course he isn't one really) which he tried to do and it didn't really work with Biden. The Republicans have won the popular vote in a presidential election once in over 30 years. In Senate elections, the Democrats win far more voters than the Republicans. The Senate is only split 50-509 because of the two-senators-per-state rule. The way the system works makes the country seem more right-leaning than it probably is. Whether Americans would vote for a more left-leaning Democrat party (rather than one like our Tory party before it was taken over by UKIP) has never been put to the test.
January 23, 20214 yr Author Yes but America is still too right wing for Sanders to have won I think. Trump would have easily been able to portray Sanders as a communist (of course he isn't one really) which he tried to do and it didn't really work with Biden. I'm afraid it did- primarily why Florida went Republican.: https://www.ft.com/content/f5fd8720-3ecb-4f...f8-28029915dce7 Though they did vote FOR the $15 minimum wage which still blows my mind.
January 23, 20214 yr Certainly think when dealing with a trump a more principled heart on your sleeve style opponent like Sanders would have been better than a centrist establishmentarian like Clinton. Say it loud!!
January 23, 20214 yr I'm afraid it did- primarily why Florida went Republican.: https://www.ft.com/content/f5fd8720-3ecb-4f...f8-28029915dce7 Though they did vote FOR the $15 minimum wage which still blows my mind. Was just thinking that, what will be the impact of Trump not accepting the election result and the events of the Capitol riots though on how the Republicans will do in Florida in future I wonder? Trump might seem like he doesn't respect the democracy of the election to some people there (looking like a bit of a dictator which may put Cuban-Americans particularly off voting for his party) while a lot of Trump voters may still believe the election was rigged and falsely see the Democrats as dictators. It might however suppress the Republican vote in general across all States if a lot of Trump voters don't trust American democracy any more, as many of them may not vote in the next presidential election. Edited January 23, 20214 yr by Santa Snake
January 23, 20214 yr It might however suppress the Republican vote in general across all States if a lot of Trump voters don't trust American democracy any more, as many of them may not vote in the next presidential election. Yes I fear that could happen but to what extent I don't know.
January 23, 20214 yr Dr Blind raises a good point too, Florida is where the Democrats under performed in the election and Ohio is the second state where that happened. So yes Biden and Harris still have two states to work on appealing to more for the next presidential election.
January 23, 20214 yr Trump voters hopefully will be shamed into silence and embarrassment over the next few years. Especially if Trump is arrested (fingers crossed) or suspiciously 'disappears' (not a bad consolation prize). Ideal would be for people to be brought back into the fault and to realise the error of their ways and that Trumpism made traitors of them because Trump was a foreign asset, but failing that, as long as they're hobbled for the next election it's all good.
January 24, 20214 yr I predict the Reps. will pick another Trumpian for candidate in 2024 and lose again and only then will Trumpism's influence start to recede in the party. Edited January 24, 20214 yr by Santa Snake
January 24, 20214 yr The only one who is as bad as Trump in Republican Party is Ted Cruz and I believe everything is pointing towards him for their pick as a candidate!!!
January 24, 20214 yr The only one who is as bad as Trump in Republican Party is Ted Cruz and I believe everything is pointing towards him for their pick as a candidate!!! Well he is certainly betting on that! He’s obsequious and morally bankrupt enough to try anything to get the nomination anyway (I know this could apply to most Republicans)
January 24, 20214 yr Any Republican serious about becoming President won't bother next time. There's never been two successive one-term Presidents.
January 24, 20214 yr Any Republican serious about becoming President won't bother next time. There's never been two successive one-term Presidents. well that's not true, Ford/Carter plus loads of 19th century ones, Arthur/Cleveland/Harrison/Cleveland certainly counts for something like that. and if we're going to make up special rules like 'has to have served a full one term and won an election and had no successive terms and therefore I'm absolutely right' I think I need to refer you to this xkcd comic about precedents: https://xkcd.com/1122/
January 24, 20214 yr Anyway, there's going to be way more than Cruz from the Trumpist side of the aisle and the way it's going, I don't know if he'll still be active or even allowed to run and I'm not particularly worried about him upsetting Biden, he's a laughing stock and not even potentially charismatic like Trump. Republicans will be looking to win in 2024 because of course they will, it may be that Biden is not running next time, it may be that he is historically unpopular because of the whole "nothing will fundamentally change" thing, or he'll flub the coronavirus recovery plan - entirely possible. No one knows what the political landscape will look like in 2024 and a Republican could absolutely win.
January 24, 20214 yr well that's not true, Ford/Carter plus loads of 19th century ones, Arthur/Cleveland/Harrison/Cleveland certainly counts for something like that. and if we're going to make up special rules like 'has to have served a full one term and won an election and had no successive terms and therefore I'm absolutely right' I think I need to refer you to this xkcd comic about precedents: https://xkcd.com/1122/ Ford wasn't even elected in the first place so I don't count him really.
January 25, 20214 yr Any Republican serious about becoming President won't bother next time. There's never been two successive one-term Presidents. Biden's not running next time
January 25, 20214 yr Ford wasn't even elected in the first place so I don't count him really. This is...a choice? Does this mean I can choose not to count Trump because he didn't fulfil the role of President at any point? Do we get to pick and choose our own historical narratives now too? HILLARY WON IN 2016 WITH 538 ELECTORAL COLLEGE VOTES.
January 25, 20214 yr I don't think he's confirmed that yet has he? He has stated that multiple times before winning the elections, but idk wjhat the current state is
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