I remember The Chemical Brothers - Galvanize being #1 on downloads for weeks when I believe they weren't counted, I always wondered if they would have been #1 if they had been included.

Galvanise was in the charts when the Elvis re-releases were hitting #1 wasn’t it? So not many downloads may have taken it to the top

Where would I Don't Care have been had it not been starred out that 1 week in 2019?

#8 without the 3-track rule, even on ACR - if that didn't exist either, it would have been #1.

I think 'Do What U Want' by Gaga may have been denied a higher peak because it was ineligible to chart for a while because of the old instant grat rules? (And it initially seemed the same would happen for 'Paradise' by Coldplay but of course that went on to eventually reach #1)

 

What are the old instant grat rules and were these also what lead to Eminem's Survival, Berzerk and Rap God being removed from the chart back in 2013 in the middle of their runs?

Lemonescent "Unconditional Love" (#20 in midweeks) was removed from the chart due to suspicions of chart-rigging by bulksale-buying. It was confirmed by Official Charts Company that hundreds of copies of the single were being bought in bulk in and around Glasgow.

 

How have I completely missed this obviously classy and amazing girl group?

 

 

OCC were just being haters I suspect.

What are the old instant grat rules and were these also what lead to Eminem's Survival, Berzerk and Rap God being removed from the chart back in 2013 in the middle of their runs?

 

Oh yes I forgot about that as well!

 

IIRC instant grats were originally just not allowed to chart at all (it was the David Bowie one that caused that rule to change) and then for a while after that they changed it so that only one instant grat was allowed to chart from each album. Those first 3 Eminem singles were each released as standalone singles to begin with but then when 'The Monster' was released it was as an instant grat alongside the 3 previous songs, 'The Monster' was the one song that was registered to be able to chart so the other 3 were all made ineligible for a week (then returned once the album was out). So then I think it would have been that 'Do What U Want' and 'Break Free' were ineligible to chart because the one permitted instant grat tracks for those albums were 'Applause' and 'Problem' respectively.

 

(aside: are you the same The Mode Reviews from the YouTube channel of the same name? I am subscribed to you without realising you had an account on here if so xx)

How about the X factor live performances which sold well but were not put forward by the show for record charts (presumably because they didnt want to demonstrate the artists popularity). Remember reading that some of them sold very strongly - any of them a no.1 does anyone know?

How about the X factor live performances which sold well but were not put forward by the show for record charts (presumably because they didnt want to demonstrate the artists popularity). Remember reading that some of them sold very strongly - any of them a no.1 does anyone know?

I feel like one of the most notable examples here was Fleur East's Uptown Funk, which was out before the original...!! The original was then brought forward and rush-released to capitalise :lol:

I think Eminem ft Nate Dogg- Shake That was also disqualified from the chart back in 2006.

I remember The Chemical Brothers - Galvanize being #1 on downloads for weeks when I believe they weren't counted, I always wondered if they would have been #1 if they had been included.

 

The week that Galvanize entered the chart at #3 in January 2005 it was #2 in the officially compiled download chart (behind Boulevard Of Broken Dreams by Green Day which was #11 that week in the Official Singles Chart) although it did spend several weeks at #1 after that. Looking at the sales from that week Chemical Brothers were less than 3k behind Ciara's Goodies at #1 which only ranked at #9 in the download chart with the limited Elvis re-release at #2 naturally not registering at all there. I don't know for certain but based on that i'd say it's likely the Chemical Brothers could have made up that 3k gap if downloads were officially incorporated into the chart at the time and got to #1.

 

 

 

 

Oh yes I forgot about that as well!

 

IIRC instant grats were originally just not allowed to chart at all (it was the David Bowie one that caused that rule to change) and then for a while after that they changed it so that only one instant grat was allowed to chart from each album. Those first 3 Eminem singles were each released as standalone singles to begin with but then when 'The Monster' was released it was as an instant grat alongside the 3 previous songs, 'The Monster' was the one song that was registered to be able to chart so the other 3 were all made ineligible for a week (then returned once the album was out). So then I think it would have been that 'Do What U Want' and 'Break Free' were ineligible to chart because the one permitted instant grat tracks for those albums were 'Applause' and 'Problem' respectively.

 

(aside: are you the same The Mode Reviews from the YouTube channel of the same name? I am subscribed to you without realising you had an account on here if so xx)

 

Yeah I am; thank you very much! I remember seeing those Eminem songs being removed and wondering for YEARS why they were! Just checking though; is an instant grat a song that was made available to pre-order on iTunes?

Yeah I am; thank you very much! I remember seeing those Eminem songs being removed and wondering for YEARS why they were! Just checking though; is an instant grat a song that was made available to pre-order on iTunes?

 

An instant grat song is one which is made immediately available to you when you pre-order the parent album.

 

I also enjoy your Youtube content. ;)

Yeah they are songs that are downloaded automatically if you've pre-ordered the album. I think they are still technically a thing now but with so few people actually downloading albums now let alone digitally pre-ordering they are pretty irrelevant to the chart these days (and they obviously quietly dropped the rule about only one of them being allowed to chart from each album at some point).

 

And wow that's kind of cool to discover you've been around on here (at least occasionally) for years haha. I think I found your channel from the collab with Diamond Axe Studios. Good stuff.

Wasn't "Sugar Crash" disqualified because it was too short?

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Wasn't "Sugar Crash" disqualified because it was too short?

 

I'm not sure if songs can be disqualified for been too short, The Ladies Bras wasn't. They can definitely be starred out for being too long though, not 100% sure what the time limit is now I know it's changed a few times over the years.

Wasn't "Sugar Crash" disqualified because it was too short?

 

It charted at #59 so no. (That one song about Boris Johnson was less than a minute long and made the top 5 - I think songs that are under 30 seconds don't have their streams tracked by Spotify though so that might be a lower limit on how long a chart song can feasibly be, otherwise we might have seen something silly like Billie Eilish's '!!!!!!!' making an appearance at least in the streaming chart just from being the first "track" on her album lol. I imagine there's no reason that wouldn't be able to chart if for some reason thousands of people downloaded it though?)

What year did downloads sell enough to chart in the Top 100 even though they were still ineligible? As soon as I Tunes launched?

'Stockholm Syndrome' by Muse apparently sold enough when issued as a download only single in July 2003 to have charted inside the top 20 had it been eligible. This was 10 months before iTunes launched in the UK.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2003/ju...5/artsfeatures8

 

I'm not too sure how true it was that the track would have been top 20 by the end of the sales week. Maybe top 20 in the midweeks but its sale for its first week of release was given by Music Week as being 5,000. That said it was a very low sales week, the number 3 single ('No Letting Go' by Wayne Wonder) only sold 15,784, the lowest weekly sale for a top 3 single for 10 years. It would certainly have been enough to get the track inside the top 30 though given that the average sale of a number 20 single in that period was less than 6,000 and for a top 30 single it was less than 3,500.

 

The article in which the sale for 'Stockholm Syndrome' was given also mentions that the OCC were hoping to incorporate download sales into the singles chart in early 2004 (in the end it took a year longer than that) and, to help boost falling singles sales, it was suggested that the new chart could be published / announced on a Friday with new releases moved from a Monday to a Friday (both took a lot longer to actually happen!).

 

I don't even know what Beneath the Boardwalk is?!!!

 

The Arctic Monkeys unofficial 18 track 'debut' album which was pressed on CD but mainly gained traction through insane amounts of illegal downloads.

has there ever been a release that would have made #1 had the OCC judged it eligible to chart?

A combination of ACR and the 3 song rule meant that I Don't Care was judged ineligible to chart on what would've been its 9th week at #1 under normal circumstances, but I'm not aware of any others.

The Arctic Monkeys unofficial 18 track 'debut' album which was pressed on CD but mainly gained traction through insane amounts of illegal downloads.

Ahhhh thanks for replying, that makes a lot more sense now