The government will have to do something in addition to the package already offered - failure to do so will lead to millions either starving, freezing to death or crippled with debt they are unable to repay.

The government will do the bare minimum and won't care less about people starving or freezing to death. Yes a lot of public pressure may get them to do something to help but too little too late. Plus whatever help that will be given will be criticised as "socialist" by the powerful right wing of the party. The Daily Mail today was going on about how the BBC and Martin Lewis were "catastrophising" - trying to make even this into a culture war.

 

And let's not even start on the climate emergency.

 

 

Quite the quote by Matt Frei on Ch4 News tonight - Uk energy prices have increased by 215%, Germany increased by 23% and in Nationalised EDF France they have rose by just 4%, quite the contrast!

Quite the quote by Matt Frei on Ch4 News tonight - Uk energy prices have increased by 215%, Germany increased by 23% and in Nationalised EDF France they have rose by just 4%, quite the contrast!

When I look at the UK headlines, they all resonate in France and no doubt across Europe, but energy, cost of living, power shortages, transport strikes, staffing and supply chain issues all seem orders of magnitude worse in the UK. Only the drought and wildfires are causing much worse problems here.

 

I had an accident last month and I was in an ambulance within 15 minutes and receiving treatment in hospital as soon as I arrived. It's quite scary to think how that would have gone if I was in Britain.

Anecdotal I know, but in the car with my sister just now and the dentist just called to move the appointment she booked like two months ago from September to January. JANUARY. That’s f***ing insane. Allegedly it’s some form of covid backlog but she’s had a temporary like crown thingy since the start of covid and they’ve refused to do any proper dental care throughout covid

 

 

During covid in Germany I had a damn root canal done!!!

 

 

Honestly having come back to the UK for a visit I get the feeling the wheels are falling off. It’s staggering just how much this country has declined under Johnson.

The wheels really are falling off. We are having to cancel a lot of plans we had (I work in health) because of funding CUTS (!) yes, you heard it right, when we are ust trying to rebuild capacity after the pandemic and to catch up on some of the work that was paused they have actually decreased our funding. -_-

 

I think there isn't more outcry because at this stage after the last few years people are just burned out and don't want to believe that the government really don't care about us. If I was very cynical I would even say that the marketing around how 'the government are doing everything to get the vaccine/people safe' during covid has opened the door to people holding that belief and not being suspicious about any of the rest of it.

 

For me personally, it is causing me to put a pause on moving out of shared accommodation because I'm genuinely unsure if I could afford to pay all the bills myself instead of splitting. Yay! -_-

The current climate is horrible, but I also feel it's probably disproportionate based off location & services. Then factor all the other massive problems we have including job shortages, early retirement and inflation vs a wider of longer term problems including climate change & no jobs in the future due to people working longer it is not good. Cannot agree with tax cuts to the problems we have either, being the solutions. Unfortunately our fetish for Brexit has contributed to a lot of these problems & will continue to do so.

Anecdotal I know, but in the car with my sister just now and the dentist just called to move the appointment she booked like two months ago from September to January. JANUARY. That’s f***ing insane. Allegedly it’s some form of covid backlog but she’s had a temporary like crown thingy since the start of covid and they’ve refused to do any proper dental care throughout covid

During covid in Germany I had a damn root canal done!!!

Honestly having come back to the UK for a visit I get the feeling the wheels are falling off. It’s staggering just how much this country has declined under Johnson.

 

Got a chipped tooth last week on a former root canal and got an apt in my dentist for the 23rd August so it’s not the same everywhere. It’s the check ups that are impossisble to get.

When I look at the UK headlines, they all resonate in France and no doubt across Europe, but energy, cost of living, power shortages, transport strikes, staffing and supply chain issues all seem orders of magnitude worse in the UK. Only the drought and wildfires are causing much worse problems here.

 

I had an accident last month and I was in an ambulance within 15 minutes and receiving treatment in hospital as soon as I arrived. It's quite scary to think how that would have gone if I was in Britain.

 

All of the problems you have highlighted are associated with having a 12 year Tory government who have focused on austerity, cuts, Brexit, undermining workers rights and promoting self-interest/greed of corporate companies like the energy firms. Things are unlikely to improve because both Sunak & Truss are advocating tax cuts but our services already don’t have enough money to function fully and further tax cuts will only mean a smaller welfare state.

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Mick Lynch and Eddie Dempsey were throwing down some serious BARS on the energy crisis ref (and general crisis of rail/energy/water): an hour in the pub with Mick and Eddie:

 

 

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I see the usual billionaire owned right-wing press have started to brief against Mick with the Putin apologist smears. Won't be long before he gets accused of being an antisemite I don't doubt..

 

Same old TIRED tricks from a dying/dead media format.

Well labour have said they would scrap the energy cap price rise in October and extend the windfall tax against energy companies. It will be interesting to see what the Tories do now given they were initially opposed against the idea of a windfall tax when labour first announced it. Pressure is certainly going to build on the government and measley tax cuts is not enough to resolve this issue.

Honestly at this point I’m just waiting for the nationalists to drop the nugget of “save 3k on your energy bills by voting yes in 2023”.

 

Leccy prices have gone up universally across the UK but less than 2% of Scotlands energy mix is carbon based (Gas), so Scottish rate payers are subsidising rUKs poorer energy policy. Understand why the point hasn’t been made yet but it will have to be at some point in time. Having that conversation right now with some unionists has been a bit Spicy as they fluster around for literally any argument but as the price rises bite it’s gonna be a killer blow to the Union in 23.

So whilst our current lump of lard is partying it up yet again (this time in Greece) before he spends the rest of the time in a taxpayer funded stately home, Liz Truss is still coming up with that horsesh1t about tax cuttings dealing with energy bills going up. Where do you even begin? The people desperately in need pay little or no tax already and so how the hell with they afford these gargantuan increases. It will disproportinately benefit Wealthy people who can afford it anyway (or at least won't be ruined).

 

And the leader of the Opposition lies again about how he previously pledged to Nationalise energies which is ironic as back when he pledged there wasn't a massive appetite to nationalise but there is certainly now.

 

 

So whilst our current lump of lard is partying it up yet again (this time in Greece) before he spends the rest of the time in a taxpayer funded stately home, Liz Truss is still coming up with that horsesh1t about tax cuttings dealing with energy bills going up. Where do you even begin? The people desperately in need pay little or no tax already and so how the hell with they afford these gargantuan increases. It will disproportinately benefit Wealthy people who can afford it anyway (or at least won't be ruined).

 

And the leader of the Opposition lies again about how he previously pledged to Nationalise energies which is ironic as back when he pledged there wasn't a massive appetite to nationalise but there is certainly now.

 

Hadn't he said it was not the priority, rather than committing to nationalise? So not saying he would not nationalise, but also saying he would not nationalise. Still don't think nationalisaton at this stage is the right call imo, I think like Brown inferred, you could influence with the threat of nationalising the services.

So whilst our current lump of lard is partying it up yet again (this time in Greece) before he spends the rest of the time in a taxpayer funded stately home, Liz Truss is still coming up with that horsesh1t about tax cuttings dealing with energy bills going up. Where do you even begin? The people desperately in need pay little or no tax already and so how the hell with they afford these gargantuan increases. It will disproportinately benefit Wealthy people who can afford it anyway (or at least won't be ruined).

 

And the leader of the Opposition lies again about how he previously pledged to Nationalise energies which is ironic as back when he pledged there wasn't a massive appetite to nationalise but there is certainly now.

 

Yeah, some quite interesting polling yesterday from Survation which showed that not only is the Labour policy put out yesterday itself popular, but the full way towards nationalisation is also really incredibly popular rn.

 

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An interesting fact I learnt yesterday was this:

• Cost of bailing out energy retail companies so far in 2021 and 2022: £2.7 billion

• Estimated cost of nationalising energy in the UK: £2.85 billion

In France, energy prices have only gone up 4% and their energy firm is state owned. In Britain, our energy prices have quadrupled. It’s all about greed, profit and an incompetent government.

Hadn't he said it was not the priority, rather than committing to nationalise? So not saying he would not nationalise, but also saying he would not nationalise. Still don't think nationalisaton at this stage is the right call imo, I think like Brown inferred, you could influence with the threat of nationalising the services.

 

Was very clear in 2020 when running for Labour leader and wanted support from the left about nationalising and now saying he never made that pledge. And if not a priority when would it be? Privatisation is clearly not working and the public see that.

Hadn't he said it was not the priority, rather than committing to nationalise? So not saying he would not nationalise, but also saying he would not nationalise. Still don't think nationalisaton at this stage is the right call imo, I think like Brown inferred, you could influence with the threat of nationalising the services.

 

What’s the option then?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89lectric...C3%A9_de_France

 

French energy is subsidised by charging us and others. The company was privatised but the nuclear reactors subsidising the cost were nationalised., They bought the remaining private 16% for 5b euros.

 

So, I don't know how someone has come up with those figures re nationalisation but they sound a bit fanciful to say the least, as would the savings to be made by nationalisation as there has been pathetic investment in solar and wind power in the UK (and we decided to let China control a nuclear power station had the Tories followed through on their ludicrous idea).

 

The legal bills buying out the companies alone would be huge, and the main positive result would be the annual profits that currently go to shareholders could instead go to investing in green energy so we are not delendant on foreign fluctuations in energy and fuel prices. We live in a very windy island, it's a duh! to me. The Canary Islands have windfarms everywhere and it's much better for the environment as long as you can accept that some places might look less attractive. Nimbys used to argue oil was cheaper and flat got schemes rejected on the grounds that some tourists might not spend money if they saw tiny wind farms on the horizon. That sounds less convincing when tourists dont have money to spend to visit beaches that don't have windfarms on the horizon and the beaches are eroding due to global warming and higher sea levels and tourists getting fried from higher temps.

Was very clear in 2020 when running for Labour leader and wanted support from the left about nationalising and now saying he never made that pledge. And if not a priority when would it be? Privatisation is clearly not working and the public see that.

 

Like the current Tory leadership, I think the whole campaigning and having a very small minority population of the public have an influence on the future of the country is dangerous. Clearly Truss/Sunak are not going to do half the things they say they will. Just like someone like Burnham won't either if he ever becomes an MP again.

 

Nationalisation is great if the Government plow the money in to let the company innovate. I get lots of people on here do not like privitatisation, but there are lots of benefits to it as well (as well as negatives) just like anything.