May 14, 20232 yr ^^ If Mae can pull off a decent sized hit with the song and forge ahead with a decent career then the labels and writers will be looking at that rather than the actual outcome, look at Rosa Linn - on paper her result should have meant her career was over but due to TikTok she got a worldwide smash which may have not happened if it wasn’t for ESC. And despite the outcome, Europe have an interest in the song - I Wrote A Song Spotify #16 Iceland #22 Lithuania #39 United Kingdom #53 Finland #78 Estonia #116 Norway #195 Israel #199 Belgium Apple Music #3 United Kingdom #5 Malta #11 Lithuania #12 Finland #12 Slovenia #17 Cyprus #17 Sweden #21 Libya #23 Estonia #23 Norway #28 Serbia #40 Turkmenistan #42 Ireland #43 Netherlands #55 Poland #70 Greece #72 Croatia #78 North Macedonia #82 Belgium #97 Latvia #134 Austria #148 Spain iTunes #2 United Kingdom #18 Norway #20 Belgium #25 Austria #28 Ireland #44 Germany #70 Spain #71 Italy #78 Australia #87 France #110 Denmark Shazam #6 United Kingdom #50 Ireland #55 Finland #64 Spain #72 Norway #77 Sweden #81 Israel #99 Poland #107 Croatia #128 Austria #147 Portugal #148 Italy #150 Belgium #150 Switzerland #161 Germany
May 14, 20232 yr Not surprised at all at the result, lazy and uninteresting song and a poor performance.
May 14, 20232 yr They’ve sent a very UK song that is likely to be a decent sized hit and is akin to what’s in our charts so what should they do - send a ‘Eurovision’ song? We’ve tried that before and failed miserably - I’d rather do what Germany tried this year and send something that as a country they are interested in and would listen to. What you do is send a charismatic and competent live performer with an interesting and dynamic song. Sam Ryder with Space Man ticked all the boxes and the song was written 18 months before Eurovision. Noa Kirel and Alessandra had much better pop songs and Noa showed the world why she was Israel’s biggest female popstar. Edited May 14, 20232 yr by xMx
May 14, 20232 yr I think this feels different to our other flops from recent years. The result obviously isn't great and couldn't be painted as such, but I don't think we have anything to be embarrassed about. The song/performance didn't click, but we TRIED. That's what matters here, and this time, it feels like the UK isn't a laughing stock as a result. Mae was popular among Eurofans and the song had a fanbase too, just not enough for mass appeal on the night. I think we can easily move forward and get back up to the top of the leaderboard as long as the UK's attitude doesn't go back to "political voting, Europe hates us, brexit, etc". We just need to regroup and come back stronger next time, with particular attention paid to finding someone who is a more competent performer than Mae. The song's still my favourite of Eurovision this year, I love it and I think it's strong (albeit not really likely to appeal to Europe, it's very UK-centric in sound), but the performance lacked energy and it really needed some backing vocals to add extra oomph. If we keep positive, we can bring all of this next year without too much effort. This is very much the camp I am in You can actually feel the love online and out and about for Mae and the UK. This isn’t a „lol WTF was that GB“ moment for us at all. A lot of people do genuinely like her and the song. Everyone at my esc party didn’t understand her placing and all of us have very little musical overlap at all. like we all had different faves but the consensus of the night was that Mae deserved better. Not a win but also not the arse end of the scoreboard
May 14, 20232 yr What you do is send a charismatic and competent live performer with an interesting and dynamic song. Sam Ryder with Space Man ticked all the boxes and the song was written 18 months before Eurovision. Noa Kirel and Alessandra had much better pop songs and Noa showed the world why she was Israel’s biggest female popstar. This!! The other females on the night in comparison completely ate her up on the performance scale. This Mae song just wasn’t a good song to begin with and the performance couldn’t really save it. I genuinely think Noas song was absolutely abysmal though but the performance more than made up for that but with Mae the performance didn’t go anywhere (maybe in the actual audience it went off but it didn’t translate on TV). Sam Ryder showed that when we send a good song with a good performer we will pick up votes. It’s even more frustrating that following Sam we really could have continued on the wave especially as Liverpool was the host city and then we go and send that which will detract artists from wanting to represent us. Meh it is what it is though I wasn’t expecting a great result and Loreen absolutely deserved her second win last night.. that’s how you do it :wub:
May 14, 20232 yr just like Germany with Michael Schulte really - if you want a cautionary tale. there's lots of factors, a pretty much inherent disadvantage of being a big 5 country if you have a song in the middle of the pack, bad sound issues probably most of all, a style of song that works in the chart, less so as a performance. But this does stand out from the other results because there was unquestionably a fanbase for it. There was highly positive fan reaction to this entry, it was in around about 9th-13th in most fan rankings, you could hear the noise for her in the arena and while there are songs that do bomb relative to those rankings, rarely as hard as this. Plus definitely lots of potential votes went to Israel or Norway just a few before her and both had much better performances on the night. but really I've had quite enough of people being nasty about it. It's not a good look to gloat. It also feels misogynistic, everyone loved James Newman even after he got 0 but Mae gets more than that, isn't even last on either metric and suddenly we get diatribes on how this was always overrated and deserved to fail. Eh??? I haven't seen anyone being nasty, just outling facts of the song not being up to par and her having some weak vocals too, plus awful staging. James Newman was maybe the worst entry we've sent in the past few years and he had NO BUSINESS doing his drunken uncle karaoke on stage! I've not seen ANYONE give him any love after that performance. The difference is he got little press, as it wasn't a UK-hosted competition, and he wasn't following Sam Ryder (and didn't have Sam Ryder following him in the running order). But Mae's song was NOT IT. I said it, and others like Rough-Edges and quite a few more also called it out and sounded the alarm bells. We have said since DAY ONE - check our posts - that this wasn't gonna do well. We're not suddenly saying it NOW. The song itself just isn't very good live. It doesn't translate well to a live performance; its verses are flat, its lyrics aren't great, and as it's made for tik tok and tv, it lacks any punch and it's more midtempo. It did have its fans, but in a year with Loreen and Cha Cha Cha and lots of pop girls, it wasn't enough. Mae was a great ambassador too, and she also didn't look obliged to be there, like most of our acts since 2000. With the effort she put in to the whole competition and performances, finishing last feels different to other years. There's no embarrassment and people appreciate it. However, it has sent us back to square one (like I said in my FIRST POST when this song was announced!!), after all of the good will from Sam. Who will apply for it now? I read an article not long ago about this: https://amp.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/20...5-years-of-hurt Will radio play her - a NEW ARTIST LAUNCHED ON THE BACK OF EUROVISION - after this? It's back to the drawing board for Mae AND the UK. Meanwhile, the BBC - desperate to not win - seemed to almost sabotage the performance itself? Staging was woeful - no car? Australia brought a car. Hardly any backing vox, hardly any colourful backgrounds - and no confetti? It was on last, BBC - go for it. It felt a bit like that Greek boxer, bouncing around the stage boxing in the semis. It felt like they were both just abandoned up there, with poor staging. There was even a bit where her dancers stopped and she looked at them, then she started dancing awkwardly, and they followed her lead. I dunno what they were going for with that choreography, but it looked like she had to egg them on to continue, rather than it being a fun little moment. Birdy would have had less overall competition (but also more, as she'd be into Loreen's demographic with ha song), and she wouldn't be competing against a bunch of other female pop bops. Also, she isn't being launched. She could weather a Eurovision underperformance better than a new singer, which was a total risk. Why, then, with this risk, did the BBC not respond to any of the criticisms about the performance and staging throughout the Eurovision season?? The performance was the same from Barcelona Pre Party to the final day. Look at Poland - they worked much better with what their song brought. (Poland had the better song, of course.) It wasn't bad, but it was never gonna win, after it didn't even win the public vote back home, but look what they did with it! They brought it alive on stage. Even Cha Cha Cha didn't even have the man SING the Cha Cha Cha bits!! It allowed him to have more energy moving around, ashe didn't have to sing every single little bit, and have more depth on the vocals. And he was the worst vocalist of the night!! Why didn't the BBC have her la la la la la bits pumped up in volume, pre-recorded, as she moved around the stage under confetti? I just don't even get what they were going for. Anyway, totally wrong choice. Ellie and Calvin were the correct choice, with Birdy an option if they really didn't want to win. now the UK has to try and build up good-will again - mainly with the artists who would try for this, and this time they don't have the homefield advantage to attract massive songs like Calvin and Ellie - and Mae has to navigate building herself up after being left out to dry with the wrong song and bad staging. I'm gonna go stream Mae actually, as she didn't deserve this from Tap. It's not her fault - the blame is squarely with the BBC and Tap. I am doom mongering, as I have no idea how BBC and Tap will react to being 50% now on entries. Ellie and Calvin won't have a mega multi-week no.1 hit next year, and now they won't be interested, with it being in Stockholm and not Liverpool. That was a once in a lifetime opportunity!! Soo, who will apply?? The A1 singer went to a different country to compete, with better backing and staging, as the BBC has shown, once again, its staging and ability to change stuff up are both dreadful. Why would a UK act apply for the UK Eurovision, when they will get better support going to another country? I'm gonna go and say Sam was a fluke. If we had sent a song that made the top 10 in a Liverpool-hosted competition, it would be different. Unless the BBC really wants to bring back the hosting back to Liverpool again - and artists want to make it happen... In short: not Mae's fault, she did the best she could, and she showed Europe that the UK really appreciate being in the competition, like Sam did. I feel bad for her, but I was totally expecting this result. Also, would anything have done better, such as Birdy, vs Loreen and Sweden though? France underperformed in both votes, as it was totally overlooked, and Spain flopped, as it was overshadowed by Loreen going next. Loreen and Cha Cha Cha hoovered up almost all the votes, so anything else was gonna suffer, really...
May 14, 20232 yr She represented her county at Eurovision, ok she finished second bottom but to keep being nasty that it is rubbish, poor, dismissing her that's harsh.
May 14, 20232 yr It’s just not enough to ‘ok’… nor to blame the Mae’s microphone. We need a performer, a show person and somebody with a voice and stage presence. Mae had none of that. I called this the very day this song/artist was announced. As host nation, to come second from Bottom is really, really poor. That's harsh.
May 14, 20232 yr I think the result was very harsh. There was something missing from the staging though the last minute looked alright. The song was definitely not bad. Even the song was doing ok in the streams. I think this is definitely different to our previous bad results but I hope this is just a blip and we will be back next year. Otherwise, this would look like Sam Ryder is the anomaly.
May 14, 20232 yr Love that it’s #9 already - hopefully with the big increase in streams and signed CD’s which are released this week she will be able to snatch a Top 10 single :wub:
May 14, 20232 yr The full tele-voting figures are out and we did appallingly. Pretty much bottom 2 in every country. Glad it’s looking to be top 10 though!
May 14, 20232 yr Snatch those signed CD singles to keep Mae Top 10 :cheer: https://shop.maemuller.com/*/*/I-Wrote-a-So...-CD/7RD50000000
May 14, 20232 yr The full tele-voting figures are out and we did appallingly. Pretty much bottom 2 in every country. Glad it’s looking to be top 10 though! Pretty sure you missed a fair few countries putting the UK just outside of top 10 :thinking:
May 14, 20232 yr Pretty sure you missed a fair few countries putting the UK just outside of top 10 :thinking: Not really… 6th - Ukraine 7th - Malta 11th - Ireland 12th - Armenia 13th - Albania 13th - Cyprus 13th - San Marino 14th - Australia 18th - Greece 20th - Spain 21st - Azerbaijan 21st - Croatia 21st - Iceland 21st - Norway 22nd - Estonia 22nd - Israel 22nd - Lithuania 22nd - Portugal 23rd - Georgia 23rd - Poland 23rd - Serbia 24th - Denmark 24th - France 24th - Romania 24th - Sweden 25th - Austria 25th - Belgium 25th - Czechia 25th - Finland 25th - Germany 25th - Italy 25th - Latvia 25th - Moldova 25th - Slovenia 25th - Switzerland 26th - Netherlands
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