Someone please remind me: when was the cut-off release date for the original physical sales of older singles to be combined with streams for certification purposes?

 

Was it (Jan) 1989 or (Feb) 1994? I know, for example that the original sales of Mariah Carey’s ‘All I Want For Christmas Is You’ (1994) are added to streams for certification purposes, but not ‘Fairytale of New York’ (1987). Does anyone know whether the cut-off point is 1989 because of the change in sales needed for each certification, or 1994 when Millward Brown took over producing the chart?

 

And also, do you have a link to where this is explained? Thank you

^ The cut-off point is February 1st, 1994 as that's when Gallup stopped compiling the charts and the defined universe sales era started.

 

In 1994 Millwood Brown took over chart compilation, Their new technology meant that all shops would now get EPOS machines and more shops would be added to the panel. By the end of the decade the chart return shops accounted for circa 95% of the market.

Edited January 13, 20241 yr by Ne Plus Ultra

That cutoff rule really discriminates against older artists. Surely modern technologies could retrospectively add in pre 1994 sales? It just means every Drake utterance that no-one has ever heard of nd that never made the top 100 gets certified multi platinum but pre 1994 songs that were top 10 smash hits that everyone can sing every word to fail to get the certification recognition they deserve!

'No one has ever heard of' except for, you know, the many hundreds of thousands of people that need to stream them for them to get those certifications :kink:

I'm surprised not to see Last Christmas or All I Want For Christmas Is You in the list. Do they take SCR sales or ACR?

I'm surprised not to see Last Christmas or All I Want For Christmas Is You in the list. Do they take SCR sales or ACR?

 

For certification, the SCR sales are taken - but both have received certifications towards the end of 2023.

 

'No one has ever heard of' except for, you know, the many hundreds of thousands of people that need to stream them for them to get those certifications :kink:

 

Ha ha...I suppose I was being a bit tongue in cheek. Sure all these album tracks and singles that failed to chart have collected the streams legitimately and by enough people to receive the platinum certs...but I guess my annoyance is directly at the anomaly that exists for those older smash hits that had to accumulate units from scratch all over again after their original peak chart runs...

 

I guess they’ve gone too far down the rabbit hole of not combining pre and post 94 to start now. :(

 

I think the “no one has ever heard of” line, while not true, does touch on something real. It’s possible to have huge hits these days by appealing to certain demographics while passing much of the population by completely in a way that it probably wasn’t last century.

Oh yes I do acknowledge that. Death of the monoculture etc. etc. But it's still easier for (current) songs that do reach a wider audience to get certified for obvious reasons. And increasingly streaming is adding more and more to the totals of the established classics. Fair enough that it's still an uphill battle for the slightly less monolithic but still well known pre-1994 hits to get to an appropriate level of certification though.

For certification, the SCR sales are taken - but both have received certifications towards the end of 2023.

 

Did they? I checked BPI website and the lastest one for AIWFCIY is 30.12.2022. Song sold more than 600K this year. Wham was also certified 09.12.2022 with 5 platinum and they sold even more this year.

Did they? I checked BPI website and the lastest one for AIWFCIY is 30.12.2022. Song sold more than 600K this year. Wham was also certified 09.12.2022 with 5 platinum and they sold even more this year.

Think that’s just the website glitching for some reason. Last Christmas went 6x platinum on 8/12/23 and AIWFCIY 8x platinum on 22/12/23.

Think that’s just the website glitching for some reason. Last Christmas went 6x platinum on 8/12/23 and AIWFCIY 8x platinum on 22/12/23.

 

If you click on either of those two tracks, it will bring you to their record, which has the correct number of platinum. I think you need to click on the artist though rather than the track.

 

So there is an issue with the site that has been going on for a little while, where recent certifications don’t show up when you search by the song/artist name. Bar December 1st, all the December certifications currently don’t show up when you search by name.

 

The website was updating at least once a month to fix this, as October and November had the same issue, but December hasn’t been fixed yet.

It's also not listing the multi platinum number for those songs certified multi platinum as of certification date January 5th.

For certification, the SCR sales are taken

Do you know whether chart ineligible sales are taken into account e.g. when there are more than 3 variants released for songs?

They don't count for chart sales but what about BPI certifications?

^ I’m sure they don’t count - if they did I reckon Now And Then would be silver by now.

Will need to see if Now And Then was certified last Friday. Counting ineligible sales, I have it at just over 200,000 sales.

They may be ineligible for the chart but they are recorded on the OCC database because Alan Jones gave us the sales figures. All sales should therefore contribute to certification. I'm sure this applies to other artists.

I would agree that the Beatles Thursday streams are lost forever.

^ I’m sure they don’t count - if they did I reckon Now And Then would be silver by now.

No Silver cert last Friday so around 25,000 chart ineligible sales don't count for BPI certification, and presumably all-time sales.

It might never go Silver.

That's a bit dramatic! Surely will just take it a few extra weeks, it's not like it's dropped to 0 weekly sales now (it was still top 100 in the first week of the year!)

Certs for singles now available at HAVEN foruns (care of UKChartsPlus).

 

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