May 22, 20241 yr What a day and a pitiful announcement. I'm not a huge fan of Starmer's Labour for all the reasons many of you are here but I hope to God that the Tories get knocked out something rotten. Even though I like his policies I personally don't go with the Owen Jones theory of "Shoe-in for Labour", vote for Green or Independent. There's been way too many disappointing evenings where the non Tory parties have knocked each other out to try and play the next move early. A lot of my leftist friends feel differently though. We do have to hope for proper tactical voting for Lib Dems in the posh South and West-country. But can't see anything but Sunak's Tories being toast. Reform under Tice won't do much either. And I wouldn't expect a pre-election stunt that Farage's Brexit party did for Johnson in 2019. That worked well because of the characters involved and the actual prize of Brexit. It'd be interesting to see how the evil right wing press play this - will Murdoch's Sun and Times go (reluctantly) for Starmer? Will Mail and Telegraph so half hearted in on him as well - it's interesting that they really want to trip up the more unpredictable, naturally left wing and popular Angela Rayner instead. I think they'll go ultra hard on Labour after the election so it will be important to enjoy the night itself for what it is! Glad that this is way before the US election so some of the tactics in play there which would be truly horrific won't be in place much for this election (although interesting to see how badly photo ID effects the outcome, I think a lowish turnout may supress that). Israel/Palestine could be significant - both in terms of Muslim voters abandoning Labour for George Galloway's party and independents but also in terms of whether there is lot of Zionist/Israeli propaganda in play a la Eurovision.
May 22, 20241 yr https://x.com/christopherhope/status/179338...5203456276?s=46 Don't underestimate the possibility of this
May 22, 20241 yr Hilariously throwing their toys out of the pram. I am worried that the non Tory parties may split the vote.
May 22, 20241 yr You do know the snp are set to be on like 19 seats? Meh we will see how it turns out but I expect a lot of indie supporters will stupidly vote for the red Tories. I don’t care, it’s not Holyrood, regardless it makes no difference to Scotland. So long as the Tories are gone
May 22, 20241 yr Meh we will see how it turns out but I expect a lot of indie supporters will stupidly vote for the red Tories. I don’t care, it’s not Holyrood, regardless it makes no difference to Scotland. So long as the Tories are gone Some polls are suggesting they could be on 35 as well so as it’s FPTP a lot of seats will and are currently very close so let’s hope it’ll be nearer 40 than 20 and if Labour don’t get a huge majority (ie the tories reach 180 seats which would still be a landslide) then the snp could still do well. I think it is important for projecting snp power!
May 22, 20241 yr https://x.com/christopherhope/status/179338...5203456276?s=46 Don't underestimate the possibility of this Zero chance of this happening I'd say, plus looks like the author is an editor on GB News so he's probably talking to someone on the extreme fringes who doesnt see how these things work.
May 22, 20241 yr So happy for the election to finally be called. And the way it was announced just sums up the last 14 years really. :lol: Really impressed by the initial Labour campaign/response so far. I know Keir has been up and down the country visiting various businesses and such over the last few months in preperation for the election. I think that will pay off. Looking forward to the manifestos being published.
May 23, 20241 yr Looking forward to the manifestos being published. Me too :cheeseblock: Anyone know when they'll likely be out?
May 23, 20241 yr Based on 2019, a couple of weeks before the vote they'll be out, so I'd guess middle of June.
May 23, 20241 yr Saw that they might have timed it this way to avoid televised debate as the Euros will be on through all of June nearly every night on tv
May 23, 20241 yr I’d say it wouldn’t matter both will just say they haven’t agreed on the rules to avoid them. Starmer won’t want to have them to make mistakes although Rishi will avoid it would probably be a better idea for him albeit I think he would perform poorly.
May 23, 20241 yr Author Saw that they might have timed it this way to avoid televised debate as the Euros will be on through all of June nearly every night on tv The televised debates aren't anywhere near as important as we all thought they would be after their introduction in 2010. Best plan is just to scrap them but neither party leader will feel confident suggesting that. We'll likely just get a BBC and an ITV one this time round - which is enough.
May 23, 20241 yr Saw that they might have timed it this way to avoid televised debate as the Euros will be on through all of June nearly every night on tv They should do a 15 min debate on BBC1 at half-time of an England match
May 23, 20241 yr Yep it's all a referendum on the Tories record. Tbh despite being an elections lover, I find the campaigning bit a bit dull - in some cases like May's 2017 disaster we could see a trend towards Labour (I think the good weather helped them as they could do more inspiring campaigning outdoors). But most times it doesn't make a difference - I don't see there being much of a change. Maybe a mini surge to the Greens/Indies if Palestine affects but I think even that is now priced in and the Locals shown it was a noticeable but not overall result affecting factor.
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