On 22/08/2025 at 12:44, Harve said:

Like many polls, a simple projection from this poll has the Tories on 20 seats, 19 of which are in London or Scotland. The only other one is Leicester East, a 68% Asían (mostly Hindu) seat that was their single pickup in 2024.

It's obviously very dubious but it would be hilarious if the Tories' only non-London English seat was one that Labour won 67-24 in 2017.

Nothing has more holding power than the Scottish cringe

Can we go back to when Scotland had more pandas than tories. Those were the days

Largest lead for Reform.

propaganda machines are going real hard

https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/52896-how-do-britons-see-reform-uk-ahead-of-their-2025-conference

Interesting read on showing Reform's difficulties at expanding beyond their fanbase.

Though this is particularly galling:

they should not be able to do this

1 hour ago, Iz 🌟 said:

https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/52896-how-do-britons-see-reform-uk-ahead-of-their-2025-conference

Interesting read on showing Reform's difficulties at expanding beyond their fanbase.

Though this is particularly galling:

they should not be able to do this

Given the huge amount of exposure Reform are getting - compared, for example, with a party with 18 times as many MPs - this isn't surprising. I'd be interested to see how many people could accurately say which are the three biggest parties in the House of Commons.

After 14 months of a Labour government who has been a success as minister/SOS and who have been a failure:

Successes -

Jonny Reynolds

Darren Jones

Shabana Mahmoud

Ed Miliband

Wes Streeting

Bridget Phillipson

Failures

Rachel Reeves (feel sorry for her but she is no Gordon Brown)

Yvette Cooper (literally the Theresa May of this government - a technocrat!)

Lisa Nandy (Can’t stand her as she has no principles imo)

Douglas Alexander - this guy has clearly just made a come back because Labour are in power again, didn’t want to work in opposition, chancer!

Wes Streeting a successs bffr 😒

also the greens took 2% away from reform according to yougov so that's a good start for zack! 😄

I don't exactly like Streeting but there's no doubt he's good on his brief and good at communicating his wants and desires. Notice how health hasn't really been a topic, when it was huge under the Tories, because Streeting is doing good if unspectacular progress there.

The YouGov dip for Reform today is encouraging, could be just noise but anything to get those shysters well below 30.

Nandy has got to be one of the biggest pieces of shit in Westminster. Not hard now that the public has had a bit of a Tory c**t clear out, but she was fairly high up the self serving c**t list in the last parliament too.

Reeves has a thankless task trying to clear up the Tories mess in a post-Liz truss world. Lizzie f***ed up so bad that Reeves is fighting a world war on her own armed with a pasta pot meal deal spork that’s already snapped in half and the moulding lettuce that outlasted truss in office. She’s operating under such tight margins it’s really a thankless task. I’d like to see a more progressive approach to income tax and removing some exemptions and strengthening things like CGT. A tax on non-Dom empty homes that weee bought by shell companies to launder illgotten gains would also be nice. Let’s start at a 15% levy on the value of the house that rises by 15% for every year it’s been empty since purchased. Add a zero to both of those numbers if you’re under UK sanctions and split the cash 50/50 between the public purse and the UKs support for Ukraine.

2 hours ago, Iz 🌟 said:

I don't exactly like Streeting but there's no doubt he's good on his brief and good at communicating his wants and desires. Notice how health hasn't really been a topic, when it was huge under the Tories, because Streeting is doing good if unspectacular progress there.

The YouGov dip for Reform today is encouraging, could be just noise but anything to get those shysters well below 30.

Exactly this, I’m not a fan of the successes I’ve listed above necessarily just from what I see in terms of performance despite not necessarily liking them personally or politically. I do have a soft spot for Ed though, he’s in it for the right reasons.

Edited September 9Sep 9 by Steve201

On 15/07/2025 at 22:31, Steve201 said:

I think it’s unfair to say that the nationalist parties are anti-English, they are anti-being governed by the English. The UK government was founded as a way of controlling the Celtic fringes of the kingdoms by ruling them from London. It’s a huge democratic deficit as English MPs dominate the 650 seats at Westminster and on big decisions totally dictate the direction of the UK of which Brexit is the best recent example.

Hence the nationalist parties in wales and Scotland and a Republican Party dominates NI who don’t even take their seats.

I've just seen this and am I heck anti-english 🤣🤣 I've voted for the SNP every year until Nicola sturgeon stepped down. I voted for labour last year and what a disaster that's been.

Looks like the first poll out there with greens second to reform, overtaking labour and the conservatives.

Edited October 31Oct 31 by JSG

2 hours ago, JSG said:

I've just seen this and am I heck anti-english 🤣🤣 I've voted for the SNP every year until Nicola sturgeon stepped down. I voted for labour last year and what a disaster that's been.

2 hours ago, JSG said:

Looks like the first poll out there with greens second to reform, overtaking labour and the conservatives.

Can we just call a GE now 🤣

6 hours ago, JSG said:

Looks like the first poll out there with greens second to reform, overtaking labour and the conservatives.

The Green Party are now comfortably averaging over 10% and are pretty much level with the Lib Dems. Reform UK appear to be flatlining at 30% (I happen to still believe that their vote share is overestimated and more concentrated than the other major parties) and the Labour Party are in freefall. I'm guessing that the Centrist MELTS/ McSweeney's takeaway from this will be to cede absolutely no ground to the genuinely popular left wing policies, install Wes Streeting after a disastrous local elections in May 26, and push even more of their dwindling support to the Greens.

Depressingly the most likely outcome as it stands is for a REF/CON coalition government (with Reform UK a few short of an overall majority). If there was any justice at all from what has happened under their leadership the Conservatives would be completely destroyed and end up with 0 MPs come 2029.

Once it's not a FindOutNow poll I'll take it but good news either way to see the Greens leaping up.

Found this really interesting report on voter attitudes to the upcoming budget: https://cdn.persuasionuk.org/budget_2025_draft_v3_487dbd62c4.pdf

Lots of interesting statistics in there on the priorities of voters of all stripes and what they might be willing to pay for and sacrifice, including whether taxes go up in the budget or not and whether voters care if the manifesto pledge for taxes on working people is broken or not (they don't really, actually!), but I found most interesting the question they asked on potential government outcomes and how it would impact voter approval.

Still mostly moral among the voters, even with the relentless astroturfing we see on the immigration issue (particularly small boats), no real punishment for legal migration higher than before, no one cares about wealth flight, people do care about child poverty and keeping the NHS running.