It's disgusting political theatre and I'm already seeing rags with headlines like 'Labour vote down national grooming inquiry' - and all this to only call on the government to do an inquiry, not actually force one to start. It's the definition of writing meaningless political charadery into law - on a Bill that is actually going to give greater protections for children now.

 

 

It is time to congratulate the Tories for reaching a new low. They are tabling an amendment to the Children's Wellbeing and Schools Bill. Among other things, the Bill provides greater protection for children who are home-schooled. This could have prevented the murder of Sara Sharif who was killed by her father after she was taken out of school.

 

The Tories are proposing an amendment, calling for an enquiry into grooming gangs. The Tories, of course, have already had an enquiry. They said they would act on the recommendations, but failed to implement any of them.

 

This is where the Tory move is beneath contempt. If the amendment is passed, it won't lead to an enquiry. That is because the whole Bill will fail, meaning that none of its provisions, including the enquiry, will be implemented. That means that Labour MPs will have to vote against the amendment to save the rest of the Bill. The Tories, of course, will then make political capital out of the vote, in the hope that the reasoning behind it will be ignored. Not surprisingly, Farage's mob will vote for the amendment. The Lib Dems are planning to abstain.

 

Makes me glad labour have the majority they have, even if this situation may paint them in a not so great light. But I think most people are cottoning on to why the likes of Elon, Farrage and the tories are trying to do this.

Makes me glad labour have the majority they have, even if this situation may paint them in a not so great light. But I think most people are cottoning on to why the likes of Elon, Farrage and the tories are trying to do this.

 

It builds a narrative though, that's the danger. I actually think Labour have done a really good job of biting back, although I do think the spin doctors need to realise we're playing by different rules these days. Problem we've got is the 'new media' has no regulation so it's lawless out there.

 

The State f***s up loads, we have countless piles of evidence that they have, as have multiple authorities you only have to look at the Blood Scandal, Hillsborough, Post Office to realise this. A national enqury will take 3-4 years and I'm not sure it's really needed or what it actually delivers.

A national enqury will take 3-4 years and I'm not sure it's really needed or what it actually delivers.

Exactly. The Tory amendment would have delayed the provisions of the government Bill until after a new enquiry had reported. That is very likely to be after the next election, meaning that the legislation would have to start again. A new enquiry would also give the government a reason to delay implementing the recommendations of the enquiry that has already happened. Of course, that is not how the Daily Mail will report it.

Find it interesting that Keir Starmer abstained. Clearly covering himself for the future

Find it interesting that Keir Starmer abstained. Clearly covering himself for the future

Don't you think he might have been doing something else? After all, he is the PM.

Find it interesting that Keir Starmer abstained. Clearly covering himself for the future

 

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cool it with the vague conspiracyposting, it's neither helpful nor conducive to debate

 

Anyone who says this was Labour politicians voting against a national inquiry is lying to you. It's Conservatives trying to crash a bill that should stop atrocities like the Sharif case from happening again with its greater protections for children.

Though I am living for Liz Truss choosing this moment to stick her oar in and claim she'll sue the PM for saying she 'crashed the economy' - good luck with that.

Don't you think he might have been doing something else? After all, he is the PM.

 

Big vote to miss really but maybe that was it

 

It builds a narrative though, that's the danger. I actually think Labour have done a really good job of biting back, although I do think the spin doctors need to realise we're playing by different rules these days. Problem we've got is the 'new media' has no regulation so it's lawless out there.

 

The State f***s up loads, we have countless piles of evidence that they have, as have multiple authorities you only have to look at the Blood Scandal, Hillsborough, Post Office to realise this. A national enqury will take 3-4 years and I'm not sure it's really needed or what it actually delivers.

 

It’s bare minimum. Obviously consequences and true accountability is the main thing needed or wanted but a national inquiry is bare minimum. There has not been one contrary to what was said earlier and there was one specifically for Rotherham only…….which revealed a huge amount. The victims definitely want one. Oldham council asked Jess Phillips for one which started most of this. Can’t really see the argument against it. You can implement changes and hold inquiry’s at the same time. There is no binary option. Even if they do create one at this point it’ll look like they had to be forced or pressured into it which is a bad look for them. Starmer is implicated from what Maggie Oliver says anyway so maybe he has to recuse himself from the issue and let others in his party decide. This current amendment did seem like opportunism but again nothing was stopping Labour saying we don’t need an amendment we’re going to do it anyway. You can’t have proclaim to be looking after the welfare of children while ignoring the huge voices of children targeted by gangs of pedophiles. It’s a very odd situation to be stuck in and the solution is obvious. Not sure why Starmer says it’ll take 7 years either who says it needs to take so long? Just a very weak argument against it. Ultimately Labour have a chance to lead on the issue or let other characters lead on it for them. The sooner it becomes a broad consensus issue the better because this is Britain’s biggest stain since colonialism

Big vote to miss really but maybe that was it

It’s bare minimum. Obviously consequences and true accountability is the main thing needed or wanted but a national inquiry is bare minimum. There has not been one contrary to what was said earlier and there was one specifically for Rotherham only…….which revealed a huge amount. The victims definitely want one. Oldham council asked Jess Phillips for one which started most of this. Can’t really see the argument against it. You can implement changes and hold inquiry’s at the same time. There is no binary option. Even if they do create one at this point it’ll look like they had to be forced or pressured into it which is a bad look for them. Starmer is implicated from what Maggie Oliver says anyway so maybe he has to recuse himself from the issue and let others in his party decide. This current amendment did seem like opportunism but again nothing was stopping Labour saying we don’t need an amendment we’re going to do it anyway. You can’t have proclaim to be looking after the welfare of children while ignoring the huge voices of children targeted by gangs of pedophiles. It’s a very odd situation to be stuck in and the solution is obvious. Not sure why Starmer says it’ll take 7 years either who says it needs to take so long? Just a very weak argument against it. Ultimately Labour have a chance to lead on the issue or let other characters lead on it for them. The sooner it becomes a broad consensus issue the better because this is Britain’s biggest stain since colonialism

 

These National enquiries are for the most part, useless. It shows lessons learned and how we can prevent stuff from happening in the future, but it’s rare anyone is ever prosecuted. We had 97 football fans killed by the authorises and not one person has been held to justice and the irony of it being one of the morons pushing this agenda too, actually lied and subverted the truth. You can’t hold an enquiry and implement changes at the same time- that’s absolute nonsense. What happens if the enquiry comes to a different conclusion? Waste of time, resource and money.

 

A national enquiry costs millions and it involves intricate amounts of detail, witnesses etc. Which victims want one? Most victims from studies want justice. And rightly so but what is a national enquiry going to tell us that we don’t already know. It’s unfortunate a couple of the victims have been poisoned by Stephen Yaxley-Lennon.

Though I am living for Liz Truss choosing this moment to stick her oar in and claim she'll sue the PM for saying she 'crashed the economy' - good luck with that.

I honestly thought you were joking.

 

At this point I don't think we should humour Liz Truss...

I honestly thought you were joking.

 

At this point I don't think we should humour Liz Truss...

 

She's probably seen the current insanity with Elon, Reform etc and thought this would be a good oppotunity for her to be seen against Starmer for potenital money/power...

Big vote to miss really but maybe that was it

It’s bare minimum. Obviously consequences and true accountability is the main thing needed or wanted but a national inquiry is bare minimum. There has not been one contrary to what was said earlier and there was one specifically for Rotherham only…….which revealed a huge amount. The victims definitely want one. Oldham council asked Jess Phillips for one which started most of this. Can’t really see the argument against it. You can implement changes and hold inquiry’s at the same time. There is no binary option. Even if they do create one at this point it’ll look like they had to be forced or pressured into it which is a bad look for them. Starmer is implicated from what Maggie Oliver says anyway so maybe he has to recuse himself from the issue and let others in his party decide. This current amendment did seem like opportunism but again nothing was stopping Labour saying we don’t need an amendment we’re going to do it anyway. You can’t have proclaim to be looking after the welfare of children while ignoring the huge voices of children targeted by gangs of pedophiles. It’s a very odd situation to be stuck in and the solution is obvious. Not sure why Starmer says it’ll take 7 years either who says it needs to take so long? Just a very weak argument against it. Ultimately Labour have a chance to lead on the issue or let other characters lead on it for them. The sooner it becomes a broad consensus issue the better because this is Britain’s biggest stain since colonialism

Starmer is not compromised. He was praised in the report from the enquiry that has already happened. He authorised prosecutions in these cases. He oversaw changes in the rules that made it easier to prosecute. Stop believing the Daily Mail and Elon Musk.

He's fallen down the right wing rabbit holes. There's no reaching him.

Starmer is not compromised. He was praised in the report from the enquiry that has already happened. He authorised prosecutions in these cases. He oversaw changes in the rules that made it easier to prosecute. Stop believing the Daily Mail and Elon Musk.

 

Who do you think is more credible on this issue. Maggie Oliver someone who resigned from her job as she felt they were not doing enough to help these girls. Who has since dedicated her life to helping these girls. Who is universally respected on this specific issue. Or Keir Starmer a careerist who kind of slithered his way to the top and has constantly shown severe moral failings. Serious question?

 

It’s not difficult answer here.

 

Now one of them the credible one specifically said that Keir Starmer bungled a Rochdale grooming case in where a man got away with raping a 13 yr old girl. That is being implicated for sure and it’s not an isolated case either. There were numerous failings and he was part of them. The 2022 inquiry was more broadly about child abuse not specifically grooming gangs and I don’t believe it mentioned Rochdale or even investigated various of these cases.

 

Interestingly enough while some of the stuff in here is a bit unnecasary to me the person here makes clear they requested an inquiry because that’s what survivors want. https://labourlist.org/2025/01/grooming-gan...er-jay-burnham/

 

I get some people are biased and a bit stuck in their fantasy world of Tories being the root of all evil but the reality is this issue is not new. The victims are now adults. Starmer is not liked. His errors are well known. You can’t stumble upon an issue you may not have the full details on and claim your guy is great and did all these great things. Politics is full of charlatans and spin merchants. Maggie Oliver isn’t one of them. She genuinely cares. Keir Starmer does not.

 

The question is simple do victims deserve an inquiry? 76% of the UK say yes. Andy Burnham says yes. Keir Starmer (someone who may look very bad if one is properly conducted) says no.

 

A little problematic I would say

 

How come you weren’t piping up this much in the last ten years when the Tories did absolutely sweet f*** all about the issue?

Who do you think is more credible on this issue. Maggie Oliver someone who resigned from her job as she felt they were not doing enough to help these girls. Who has since dedicated her life to helping these girls. Who is universally respected on this specific issue. Or Keir Starmer a careerist who kind of slithered his way to the top and has constantly shown severe moral failings. Serious question?

 

It’s not difficult answer here.

 

Now one of them the credible one specifically said that Keir Starmer bungled a Rochdale grooming case in where a man got away with raping a 13 yr old girl. That is being implicated for sure and it’s not an isolated case either. There were numerous failings and he was part of them. The 2022 inquiry was more broadly about child abuse not specifically grooming gangs and I don’t believe it mentioned Rochdale or even investigated various of these cases.

 

Interestingly enough while some of the stuff in here is a bit unnecasary to me the person here makes clear they requested an inquiry because that’s what survivors want. https://labourlist.org/2025/01/grooming-gan...er-jay-burnham/

 

I get some people are biased and a bit stuck in their fantasy world of Tories being the root of all evil but the reality is this issue is not new. The victims are now adults. Starmer is not liked. His errors are well known. You can’t stumble upon an issue you may not have the full details on and claim your guy is great and did all these great things. Politics is full of charlatans and spin merchants. Maggie Oliver isn’t one of them. She genuinely cares. Keir Starmer does not.

 

The question is simple do victims deserve an inquiry? 76% of the UK say yes. Andy Burnham says yes. Keir Starmer (someone who may look very bad if one is properly conducted) says no.

 

A little problematic I would say

 

Not like Andy Burnham to jump on a bandwagon, oh wait..

 

People have no idea what a public enquiry entails. If you listen to Reform it'll be done and dusted in a month.

 

How come you weren’t piping up this much in the last ten years when the Tories did absolutely sweet f*** all about the issue?

 

Same reason people moan why the economy won't grow, take all their news from someone on Twitter who once read a book.

Inquiries delay action. Action may be halted because the results of the inquiries may differ. In fact the end result of this insanity might be Labour strongarmed into commissioning another inquiry that proceeds to spend years to tell us what we all already know ready for it to come back in 2028 as a 'new and unresolved issue'.

 

That poll is not credible, it may have been undertaken by YouGov but was commissioned by a think tank associated by UnHerd/Goodwin and it's laughably easy to get 76% of people to respond in the affirmative to a question that boils down to 'should you do something about rape gangs?' when you present an inquiry as the thing to be done.

I get some people are biased and a bit stuck in their fantasy world of Tories being the root of all evil but the reality is this issue is not new. The victims are now adults. Starmer is not liked. His errors are well known.

 

 

 

I've never seen an unbiased voice on Starmer from you to be honest, so this feels like a bit of a reach statement. :teresa: