“Contrary to international law”. What a joke.

Russia had already invaded, it’s been THREE YEARS.

What an absolute f***ing moron.

Ed Davey has also condemned it, but naturally the leader of 72 MPs is considered less newsworthy than the leader of five. That said, it is a lot easier to condemn US actions from opposition rather than Downing Street. We all know that every previous PM would have said something similar to what Starmer has said.

As for the attack itself, it's hardly news that Trump is a power-crazed loon. He will now be trying to grab as much Venezuelan oil as he can.

I know I shouldn't be, but I was just utterly shocked. How on Earth is it legal that a country can just invade another and put it under their control without some kind of agreement first?! Even worse that it's clearly aimed at distracting from Epstein and so he can claim their oil.

1 hour ago, Suedehead2 said:

Ed Davey has also condemned it, but naturally the leader of 72 MPs is considered less newsworthy than the leader of five. That said, it is a lot easier to condemn US actions from opposition rather than Downing Street. We all know that every previous PM would have said something similar to what Starmer has said.

As for the attack itself, it's hardly news that Trump is a power-crazed loon. He will now be trying to grab as much Venezuelan oil as he can.

Davey's comments were just as noted as Farage's in the media I think? I just highlighted Farage's because of how disagreeable they are.

Anyway:

I had low expectations for the Labour government's stance on this but holy hell that's horrendous. 'We always support international law unless we don't feel like defending it this time because the big strongman over West said no'

fwiw of course Maduro is no loss but the absolute INSANE precedent this sets that a superpower can just abduct another country's leader and remove them from power is not good for the international order and it makes a complete mockery of international law, which as of this morning, pretty much ceased to exist.

Kind of reminds me of the world post the 1932 Geneva conference on disarmnament.

The winner of the (totally not made up to curry favour with a shallow ego maniax wannabe dictator) Fifa Peace Prize would do this?!

I'm not at all shocked given the recent actions of the US (sustained airstrikes on Venezuelan ships) which were in direct contravention of both US and International Law - this felt like it was inevitable at some point. Obviously Maduro, like Putin, is a corrupt, human rights abusing dictatorial leader, and the vast majority of Venezuela will not be at all sad to see him go but this sets a dangerous precedent. What now for Greenland? What now for Taiwan?

Ditto - Starmer's response. His approach so far has been to flatter and fawn around the President in a doomed attempt to mitigate against his worst and most dangerous actions and as you can see that approach is working really well..

We are truly in the age of impunity.

what gets me is the gall. you know even they don’t care about maintaining their narco-terrorism pretext when trump explicitly talks about “rebuilding” venezuelan oil infrastructure so that US oil companies may be “reimbursed” for being “cheated out” when venezuela nationalized their oil industry

Just now, dhwe said:

what gets me is the gall. you know even they don’t care about maintaining their narco-terrorism pretext when trump explicitly talks about “rebuilding” venezuelan oil infrastructure so that US oil companies may be “reimbursed” for being “cheated out” when venezuela nationalized their oil industry

He may take Greenland next. They have air bases there.

even MOTHER Björk has to say something about this you know it's bad

6 hours ago, CRAZY CHRIS said:

He may take Greenland next. They have air bases there.

Ah yes, the famous drug cartels from Greenland must be stopped

7 hours ago, CRAZY CHRIS said:

He may take Greenland next. They have air bases there.

This is the problem with MAGA. They don't care what he does, as long as it's exciting and dramatic and owns the libs.

Greenland shouldn't even be a question. You get people like Starmer pontificating about how 'the future of Greenland is for the Greenlandic people to decide' which, while may be one of his more forceful lines, doesn't go far enough, it shouldn't even be on the fucking table and the EU and every other international organisation under the sun need to make that very clear to Trump. He is not God.

Ypu'd think he was, with how Fifa cowtowed to ha, world leaders bequeathed him with bribes and gifts, and with even thr BBTory editing Mandy's Christmas special for apostacy against Trump!

I just saw some of the most recent things that Marjorie Taylor Greene said and I was utterly shocked to see how much her views (or whatever she’s been putting out to tw*tter at least) have shifted since the fallout with her fascist tsar/daddy. It’s like she’s a totally new person now and I agree with a lot of what she says.

What the f*** is happening :’)

The EU and NATO, minus the rogue state, need to be having urgent discussions about what they would do if Trump invades Greenland. We can't afford to see them in endless discussions after the event.

Just a reminder - a few weeks ago Trump pardoned the former president of Honduras after he was jailed for 45 years for his part in smuggling 400 tonnes of cocaine into the US.

5 minutes ago, Suedehead2 said:

The EU and NATO, minus the rogue state, need to be having urgent discussions about what they would do if Trump invades Greenland. We can't afford to see them in endless discussions after the event.

Just a reminder - a few weeks ago Trump pardoned the former president of Honduras after he was jailed for 45 years for his part in smuggling 400 tonnes of cocaine into the US.

Can't do anything. US is integrated into everything

2 hours ago, pavi said:

I just saw some of the most recent things that Marjorie Taylor Greene said and I was utterly shocked to see how much her views (or whatever she’s been putting out to tw*tter at least) have shifted since the fallout with her fascist tsar/daddy. It’s like she’s a totally new person now and I agree with a lot of what she says.

What the f*** is happening :’)

She is basically a real MAGA in terms of her America first views.

11 hours ago, pavi said:

I just saw some of the most recent things that Marjorie Taylor Greene said and I was utterly shocked to see how much her views (or whatever she’s been putting out to tw*tter at least) have shifted since the fallout with her fascist tsar/daddy. It’s like she’s a totally new person now and I agree with a lot of what she says.

What the f*** is happening :’)

OK but while I'm not totally opposed to someone taking a far right to left wing pipline which seems to happen a lot less than the other way around, this is not necessarily what is happening here as she is still doing far right stuff right up until her last week (this week) in Congress. Like she introduced this bill to eliminate the H-B1 visa programme entirely which goes beyond what even the US administration has done.

But still funny.

Edited Tuesday at 08:392 days by Harve

2 hours ago, Harve said:

OK but while I'm not totally opposed to someone taking a far right to left wing pipline which seems to happen a lot less than the other way around, this is not necessarily what is happening here as she is still doing far right stuff right up until her last week (this week) in Congress. Like she introduced this bill to eliminate the H-B1 visa programme entirely which goes beyond what even the US administration has done.

But still funny.

Yeah I do not trust her at all, it reads as an opportunist trying to get ahead of a shifting tide, and her whole thing is still like nativist economic populism. to trust her would be like allying with the people on the right who jumped on pro-Palestine not necessarily bc they care about the plight of palestinians but bc they believe in the Jewish world order or whatever tf

14 hours ago, Suedehead2 said:

The EU and NATO, minus the rogue state, need to be having urgent discussions about what they would do if Trump invades Greenland. We can't afford to see them in endless discussions after the event.

Just a reminder - a few weeks ago Trump pardoned the former president of Honduras after he was jailed for 45 years for his part in smuggling 400 tonnes of cocaine into the US.

At this point I would welcome the rest of nato to bomb us