MAGA think a trade war will increase the American economy. It may well do in 5 years and maybe the cult will believe it but I think there will be enough stupid people who see the light. Throwing tariffs on the EU because they don’t buy American cars is a dumb move. Maybe it will increase the value of American cars, or maybe the solution is just to make better vehicles that people want to buy.

 

Kind of puts Starmer in a hard position as not sure you can walk the line with both the EU and US at the same time.

You're not pro or anti Trump but you also are pro a lot of things his administration does and not anti any of it...

 

My dude you are deceiving yourself.

Im not pro or anti-Trump I like his pro-Crypto stance and anti-war instincts

Hang on.

 

I'm barely paying attention to the news at the moment so the tariffs have been much better covered by other posters, but the one thing I've noticed since November 5th is Trump's second term is the most expansionist US administration in decades??? From the Panama canal, the Gulf of America, Greenland and Canada being a 51st state.

 

Not to mention Trump's recent threats to 'blow Iran to smithereens' (which very much is a continuation of Iran nuclear deal withdrawal, the Soleimani assassination, and the subsequent diplomatic crisis from the 1st administration), having Netenyahu 'finish the job' in Palestine etc.

 

I don't see how this adds up to an anti-war instinct.

He's been screaming about Kamala SOMEHOW being pro war and Trump SOMEHOW being anti war since before the election. It makes no sense, but he's been screaming that sincw day one. He's down the right wing rabbit holea on tiktok and X.

 

Not sure how tariffs are SUPPOSED to work anyway, when the US doesn't have thw raw materials or industrial base, or workforce - revord low employment thanks to Biden - to make everything int he US. It just doesn't make sense. Companies are not going to invest that kind of mpnwy, either. They'll just pass the Trump Tariff to the consumer.

Also, Elon given full Treasury control, with full access to extremwly swnsitive data!!! My god!

Hang on.

 

I'm barely paying attention to the news at the moment so the tariffs have been much better covered by other posters, but the one thing I've noticed since November 5th is Trump's second term is the most expansionist US administration in decades??? From the Panama canal, the Gulf of America, Greenland and Canada being a 51st state.

 

Not to mention Trump's recent threats to 'blow Iran to smithereens' (which very much is a continuation of Iran nuclear deal withdrawal, the Soleimani assassination, and the subsequent diplomatic crisis from the 1st administration), having Netenyahu 'finish the job' in Palestine etc.

 

I don't see how this adds up to an anti-war instinct.

 

There is a difference between rhetoric and war. You need to be strong. But your overall philosophy should be that wars are costly both financially and with human lives and should be avoided or ended ASAP. They are wrong about tariffs but you know if people aren’t going to learn from the UK’s downward spiral what can I say. For some reason nobody learned a thing and they’re happy for the US to go the same route.

 

Trump did a good job on ISIS in his 1st term. Before that they didn’t because really they wanted ISIS to wipe out Assad’s army and the warmongers preferred to keep a terrorist group around which was terrible for the world. He didn’t start any wars and there were no Ukraine/Russia conflicts. There was no Israeli daily massacres. Since he’s returned the Israel wars are over and it won’t be long before Ukraine is too. I’m not saying he’s a hippy with a flower saying peace and love everyone as that’s suicidal but to be the strongest military but also anti-war as a philosophy is a better position. Most Republicans are warmongers and a lot of people knew pushing Ukraine into NATO would provoke a conflict but they did it anyway because they’re not really anti-war.

 

Greenland is something they want to buy not go to war over. The Panama Canal again it’s not a war issue.

 

Sheinbaum says that the US will delay imposing 25% tariffs on goods from Mexico for a month following a "good conversation" with Trump.

It comes after the two leaders came to an agreement, she says, including that Mexico will reinforce the border with 10,000 National Guard troops who will be immediately deployed.

They will be tasked with preventing drug trafficking into the US - with a particular focus on fentanyl, which had been one of Trump's cited concerns.

 

The art of the deal in action

Art of the Deal is a fantasy. Trump managwd to bankrupt casinos ... three times. Total fabrication a out him being good at deals. You really are DEEP ADOWN roght wing rabbit holes!!! Trump is chickening out on tariffs after seeing how they'd wreck the us economy.

there were no Ukraine/Russia conflicts. There was no Israeli daily massacres. Since he’s returned the Israel wars are over and it won’t be long before Ukraine is too.

Did you miss the part where Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014? Russia has been conducting military operations on Ukrainian soil ever since.

 

It was the Biden administration that brokered the Gaza peace deal after many months of trying. If you think Trump being elected was the sole reason you are misguided.

Lmaooo Russi invaded Ukraine in 2014!! Trump's weakness in Afghanistan led to the hurried retreat, like a repeat of the Fall of Saigon... Russia was banking on Trump being president to seize Ukraine, Moldova and the Baltic's!!! He had to continue when Biden got in, as it was all set up!!! My god, you are BRAINWASHED by the right wingers

Also yeah, it's Biden's brokered ceasefire, not Trump's. Accept it.

The art of the deal in action

 

But you can look at it two ways, it’s a “BIG WIN” or you can work out that Wall Street had a very unnecessarily blip as soon as the Markets opened and this is part of a concession both sides are willing to make in the short term. But it doesn’t address the fentanyl issue really. That’s my problem with the Trump loyalists- they’re willing to eat up all the propaganda and don’t for one second entertain the thought they’re being played.

But you can look at it two ways, it’s a “BIG WIN” or you can work out that Wall Street had a very unnecessarily blip as soon as the Markets opened and this is part of a concession both sides are willing to make in the short term. But it doesn’t address the fentanyl issue really. That’s my problem with the Trump loyalists- they’re willing to eat up all the propaganda and don’t for one second entertain the thought they’re being played.

 

That’s hilarious. I was following the BBC page a few times and they kept referring to markets dropping. It was minuscule. 0.5-2% this is nothing. This happens random days anyway. Have you ever dealt crypto? It can go up and down 4% in 30 minutes. This is a complete non story and yet they kept bogging it up like it meant anything. Plus Trump spent the whole election promising tariffs if it was so market unfriendly then it should have tanked when he won but it did the opposite. Nobody with a lot of stock is bothered by temporary small up and downs. If it dropped 15%+ then maybe there is a story.

 

It’s hardly the biggest concessions of all-time but it’s something another President wouldn’t get, you have to negotiate tough as countries only care about themselves. If the UK were tougher with France maybe the problem here wouldn’t be as bad as it is. We will see what happens with Canada

 

One thing you miss about the H1-B visa is that the alternate to hiring someone from India on 75k isn’t an American on 250k it’s actually an offshore Indian on 40k. The H1-B visa actually keeps the wage tax and social security contributions in the US instead of that US corporation funding the Indian equivalent. Also, that person is paying rent and buying groceries etc and contributing to the local economy. Companies have been outsourcing for decades. They care about profit and getting the skills they need to do the job. India has invested heavily in IT education and so that’s where you can get skills at a lower cost, win win for a company. You can’t tell a company how to run their business or where to hire people. So your actual true alternate to a H1-B is the company in question sets up a subsidiary in India and hires local talent instead of Americans

 

Capitalism reigns supreme in the US, you have to calculate than in when you think about things. Corporations will always do whatever maximises their profits.

That’s hilarious. I was following the BBC page a few times and they kept referring to markets dropping. It was minuscule. 0.5-2% this is nothing. This happens random days anyway. Have you ever dealt crypto? It can go up and down 4% in 30 minutes. This is a complete non story and yet they kept bogging it up like it meant anything. Plus Trump spent the whole election promising tariffs if it was so market unfriendly then it should have tanked when he won but it did the opposite. Nobody with a lot of stock is bothered by temporary small up and downs. If it dropped 15%+ then maybe there is a story.

 

It’s hardly the biggest concessions of all-time but it’s something another President wouldn’t get, you have to negotiate tough as countries only care about themselves. If the UK were tougher with France maybe the problem here wouldn’t be as bad as it is. We will see what happens with Canada

 

Yes I'm well aware of crypto, a heavily unregulated market, easily manipulated, which regularly has large swings and used by people to launder money and hook people who have zero idea about investment in to the ponzi schemes. I don't really get the point here.. yes the markets go up and down all the time and yes nobody should be worried about short term losses, but it presents what people think about the tariffs against a major ally and trading partner. Nobody thinks this is a good idea.

 

What problem have we got over here? Small boats? Well shock horror we pissed the French off because of our arrogance over Brexit. Something the US will find out quickly, like I've said everyone needs friends. Except Trump who doesn't have any so he doesn't understand the concept.

Looks to me like Sheinbaum got the better end of that deal, small concession of something Mexico is already doing, America's help against the gangs and no tariffs, all the while coming out with a reputation as a tough but reasonable dealer as opposed to the unpredictable mob boss Trump is playing at.

 

Noting with displeasure DOGE and Musk is now taking aim at USAid because stopping the US from solving the world's problems does indeed make government more efficient. Of course lots of people will die but they're taking advantage of the US giving them malaria and HIV treatment so they deserve it.

There is a difference between rhetoric and war. You need to be strong. But your overall philosophy should be that wars are costly both financially and with human lives and should be avoided or ended ASAP. They are wrong about tariffs but you know if people aren’t going to learn from the UK’s downward spiral what can I say. For some reason nobody learned a thing and they’re happy for the US to go the same route.

 

Trump did a good job on ISIS in his 1st term. Before that they didn’t because really they wanted ISIS to wipe out Assad’s army and the warmongers preferred to keep a terrorist group around which was terrible for the world. He didn’t start any wars and there were no Ukraine/Russia conflicts. There was no Israeli daily massacres. Since he’s returned the Israel wars are over and it won’t be long before Ukraine is too. I’m not saying he’s a hippy with a flower saying peace and love everyone as that’s suicidal but to be the strongest military but also anti-war as a philosophy is a better position. Most Republicans are warmongers and a lot of people knew pushing Ukraine into NATO would provoke a conflict but they did it anyway because they’re not really anti-war.

 

Greenland is something they want to buy not go to war over. The Panama Canal again it’s not a war issue.

The art of the deal in action

Greenland is a country with real people. I’m very sorry you think their lives are worth nothing and that they are up for sale because some orange psychopath said so.

Tariffs now paused for 30 days, so that both Canada & Mexico can do exactly what they were doing under Biden. I'm sceptical whether these troops moving will actually ever take place and in true MAGA fashion, people will tell you he's a genius even if it doesn't happen or they won't believe it if it doesn't happen. All seems utterly meaningless window dressing. which will have zero impact.

 

I'm still conviced the people pushing these ideas had zero idea of what they actually meant. Like I've said, it's a dumb move as you screw you allies, who will be looking for more reliable partners and made investers queasy.

Greenland is a country with real people. I’m very sorry you think their lives are worth nothing and that they are up for sale because some orange psychopath said so.

 

The only people whose lives are worth anything are white English people, silly /s

It’s all just threats and bluster by the look of things and then act like he’s strong when negotiations lead to no change!

It’s all just threats and bluster by the look of things and then act like he’s strong when negotiations lead to no change!

 

He’s got both countries to spend large resources on the border fulfilling his promise to reduce illegal immigration and clear up the opioid epidemic.

 

The point of tough rhetoric with tariffs is that you can follow through if you don’t get good concessions and while you both lose they lose considerably more so the onus is on them to make a deal. Tariffs are used by so many countries worldwide and most leaders aren’t real business people hence they often make terrible deals. How is any of this a loss for the US? Companies now will think twice before leaving the US as tariffs might come at any moment. The border is now being patrolled from all angles.

 

Compare to the UK who have been outmanoeuvred by countries they give large aid too. The UK has big trade deficits with certain countries and still can never hold leverage over them when they need something. Rwanda played Sunak like crazy, they got billions for absolutely nothing.

 

People don’t like the optics because it seems like bullying almost but ultimately it’s win for America. The big clash will be with the EU nobody is more arrogant and stubborn than EU bureaucrats and the EU is a lot more powerful than Canada. That’s one I’d like to see who wins the negotiations

Edited February 4Feb 4 by Liam sota