Don’t care what the odds say, until we see some Spotify data tomorrow nothing is settled

 

What's interesting about that?

Come on Wham! - if only because the more times it gets Christmas Number 1, the more likely it'll be OCC will do something about it.

 

Don't know what the OCC will be able to do about it. I think it's going to be Christmas no.1 every year for the forseable future and whilst that is bad for the Christmas charts I don't really see what you can do about it as that is what people are streaming, that's what's popular, that's what people are listening to. What's the alternative, ban Christmas songs? Even that is fraught with difficulties as you would have to define what is and isn't a Christmas song and there is argument even over that. So I think we are stuck with this.

Don't know what the OCC will be able to do about it. I think it's going to be Christmas no.1 every year for the forseable future and whilst that is bad for the Christmas charts I don't really see what you can do about it as that is what people are streaming, that's what's popular, that's what people are listening to. What's the alternative, ban Christmas songs? Even that is fraught with difficulties as you would have to define what is and isn't a Christmas song and there is argument even over that. So I think we are stuck with this.

 

Yep the solution will be "ban christmas songs" or quintuple ACR or something like that. But it's very unlikely that either of those things will happen even if Wham are Christmas number one every year.

 

I think they will probably introduce some arbitrary rule soon, the Christmas number 1 is the most publicised chart of the year and realistically the only chart the majority of the public still have a passing interest in, it'll just lose them publicity if it's the same song every year. You'd hope it would encourage artists to try for the Christmas number 1 spot, but with streaming so huge for the classics, it's an uphill battle.

 

Or Amazon may find a way of ruling the Christmas number 1 going forward, now that's a dystopian thought x

 

 

Yeah I think any solution which involves putting #1 out of reach of songs on ACR / over 3 years old will end up handing the #1 to Amazon's favourite exclusive every year instead.

 

If this year's anniversary releases and Shane MacGowan's death last year have proved that no old song is suddenly going to produce even 10k of pure sales, the only prospect for an open and interesting race in the foreseeable future is either the hope that genuinely popular new songs can get enough streams to challenge when, chart rules notwithstanding, they face an uphill battle for listening attention during December, or a new LadBaby emerging - and that concept has almost certainly been run into the ground by now too.

I mean it’s not like it has XF like sales so somethings bound to come along going forward!

There's a Wham/Last Christmas documentary on BBC2 at 8:35pm tonight for anybody interested!

I think at some point there’ll just be a separate Christmas songs chart as it’ll be bad publicity if either Wham have it every single year or if the Alexa thing has it every year

If they ever do that, I'll eat my hat.

There's a Wham/Last Christmas documentary on BBC2 at 8:35pm tonight for anybody interested!

 

Got it recorded plus the ‘Wham at the bbc’ show after will be good!

I think at some point there’ll just be a separate Christmas songs chart as it’ll be bad publicity if either Wham have it every single year or if the Alexa thing has it every year

 

Would be silly now in chart history terms of Xmas songs plyed the chart each year for 15 years then all of a sudden none charted?

Would be silly now in chart history terms of Xmas songs plyed the chart each year for 15 years then all of a sudden none charted?

 

Would be the same as soundtracks/compilation albums being moved to the compilation chart after years of being included on the main chart. No big deal

Got it recorded plus the ‘Wham at the bbc’ show after will be good!

 

I don't know if you have seen it before on here but there's a rumour that the song was originally called 'Last Easter' :heehee:

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Is Bet365 not re-opening Christmas #1 betting? Have I scammed myself out of £7*, thinking that there would be opportunities to cash out in the coming days?

 

* Assuming that Tom Grennan doesn't get Christmas #1 x

I don't know if you have seen it before on here but there's a rumour that the song was originally called 'Last Easter' :heehee:

 

A rumour?

not a rumour, but a fact - the record label insisted on the change to 'Christmas' as they rightfully knew that would sell them more records

I foresee a couple of things happening, namely:

 

1) Wham being number one on Friday. It's all but a foregone conclusion.

 

2) A change in rules happening after this year. I know I've said it every year for the last five or six years, but it does feel like this will be the year to prompt change for next year.

 

Most likely, I foresee OCC allowing Christmas songs released inside the last three years to chart, and a situation where either they are A) yeeted to perma-ACR with a much reduced sales to stream ratio unless they are specifically requested for a reset to SCR by the label or B) all Christmas songs over 3 years old have their own separate chart.

 

They are no fools and are well aware that the Christmas chart is one of the strongest marketing tools at its disposal still, and the one that Joe Public still largely pays attention to and talks about and remembers. To make it matter again, and to reverse years of negative feeling about what happens from November onwards because of DSP monopoly and passive sheep streaming, they will need to take action.

Also lol at the people who thought bloody band aid had a chqnce in 1024 in ANY week, let alone Xmas :lol: Did it even go top100??

I’m not so sure this year will be a turning point on occ rules. If anything, the fact it is the 40th anniversary with tv specials and new physicals gives them a way to explain why Wham has done it again, rather than admit the playlists and Alexa effect.

 

We just need more acts/labels not giving up on big new releases in December which I see as the bigger issue right now. Messy for example, is proving you can still break through with new non-Christmas music at this time of the year.

If Wham does get 1 then it will be a low number. Under 60k. Houdini got 100k+ earlier this year. It wasn’t because it was insurmountable