2 hours ago, Iz 🌟 said:

'pick your poison' and instead of just a bland suit followed by professional politicians who will try to tackle the generally insurmountable issues affecting the country it's a loudmouth fascist because that's apparently acceptable to the people who tactically vote against the Tories (???)

Well they say the grass is always greener on the other side. I've never known a newly elected government to be so unpopular and the Conservative government are still fresh in peoples minds. That alone is going to put a 3rd option in a strong position.

I think the only hope we have is that some f***-up in the next four years of their own making destroys their name, it's definitely possible given they are a completely incompetent party politically and have no concrete plans outside of rage-baiting and keeping the media and far right on their side. I also think the Tories could clear themselves up if they got a more competent leader that can better put them as an alternative, Badenoch is completely holding them back. The locals will do wonders for them though and if the election were held today, they'd probably win big. It also will depend on what happens in the US election, a Democrat government I think would be less good for them with international relations.

It's really quite concerning with flags lining the streets and blatant misinformation and rhetoric being twisted in ways to paint migrants as the sole issue hampering our country and threatening our national identity (legally we have to house migrants while they claim asylum, anything else would be a violation of human rights, but that involves reading comprehension beyond the headlines). I think we're heading in a bad direction.

Don’t really get the Letby mention there was a prime ITV show recently that pretty much took apart the case done by a very credible reporter. A very credible journalist gave it 5/5 https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2025/aug/03/lucy-letby-beyond-reasonable-doubt-review-documentary-itv1-itvx a New York Times article blew it up. It’s been a very liberal led thing overall. But the whole post was wild narratives

Bernie Sanders the far left messiah once said mass immigration was a right wing idea that’s lower wages and decimate working people.

And now apparently disparaging parents for being rightly concerned for their children’s safety is somehow the left position. Sounds like a winning political position for sure.

They do pay American's $2 an hour in restaurants, so that is a load of bollocks.

On 23/08/2025 at 15:46, Spiceboy said:

I'm sorry but was a load of racist tripe! 🫠

Far from it, and nothing of my post warrants that kind of response, stop fighting something you dont agree with by suggesting racism.

20 hours ago, Liаm said:

Disillusioned people on benefits believing everything they read on Facebook are the biggest danger to this country. Rather than realise that it’s the government who has been f***ing them over for years, they will just parrot from their echo chamber about immigrants. I do think Reform’s bungling council efforts will harm them at a future GE by the time it comes, if it happened now I do think they would probably win sadly and I wouldn’t rule it out in the future which is just terrifying to even think about.

I’d rather my tax went on someone who came here to escape danger and try to have a better life than bankroll someone’s children because they cba to get a job if I’m being frank. And it’s all “we’re just concerned mothers” at these idiotic racist protests but crickets when a white person does anything bad. The same people spouting the most horrid racist shite will spend half their day reading conspiracies about how Lucy Letby is innocent

Absolutely agree with the benefits here, and they need to stop it. Majority of people on benefits can work and those who are do bare minimum ao they can get top up. British arent working as its easier not to and not much worse off.

I would also happily rather my tax go to someone struggling however I severely sont think most of this migrants are struggling beforehand and they just eant a way in. Also getting free phone, clothes, driving lessons, accommodation food bills and nhs dentist etc when birtish people cant even afford this and there's people on the streets thats what angers me. Yes put them up in tents or low grade accom but not with all the benefits and not in community's were we arent at that level of immigration.

I know for many this is a scary time however the government really needs to act up fast as

A) to many people are being allowed in who provide nothing and speak no English (which should be necessary)

B) to many are in unsafe roles

C) British born people are struggling and not getting the same help

It is time for a tighter rhetoric on tbis and not to jump to racism and pull the card. Yes a lot of this will stem from racism. However a lot of people these days are easy to defend and don't see the bigger picture.

Am I so in the wrong for wanting to protect safety and my future, I dont think so? Reform yes for me is the only option left at the moment as we have nothing better to hope for. We need tighter border control we need more deportations and we need to ensure our culture is retained. Like many other countries do, if that is racism then let me go back to school and be re taught. And I think the bigger picture is mass population is now the same as me. People ate waking up and yes benefits system is mostly to blame and needs scrapping to some degree.

On 23/08/2025 at 07:55, Iz 🌟 said:

Like I said, low wage pay (to the point that many Brits do not wish to do that work) and the sacrifice of everything on the altar of capitalism is what leads you to that situation where people are being hired from abroad because they accept lower wages for harder, less fulfilling work.

You don't solve that with harsh rhetoric against immigrants, because it also involves burning everything else down, equal rights, cementing low wages for everyone, while you're at it. Besides, the changes that have been made by both the Sunak and Starmer administrations have been largely cutting down on visa-sponsoring and dependents where not necessary, there was a spike just after Covid where people who couldn't return before did, and they have cut down on people abusing masters degrees to get unrelated visas. Governments are doing things, but you don't want them to be doing the flashy stuff, as that is invariably needlessly cruel (recall Home Office vans from Theresa May's time as Home Sec).

Though the care industry specifically will need and will use immigrants for a long time to come, where English is not even a required skill, that is just how it is with our age pyramid.

If you ever have to be looked after by overseas workers who dont speak English dont know care or compassion but want a visa then god help you. Look at the news this is all going to explode very soon

1 hour ago, Rough_edges said:

Absolutely agree with the benefits here, and they need to stop it. Majority of people on benefits can work and those who are do bare minimum ao they can get top up. British arent working as its easier not to and not much worse off.

I would also happily rather my tax go to someone struggling however I severely sont think most of this migrants are struggling beforehand and they just eant a way in. Also getting free phone, clothes, driving lessons, accommodation food bills and nhs dentist etc when birtish people cant even afford this and there's people on the streets thats what angers me. Yes put them up in tents or low grade accom but not with all the benefits and not in community's were we arent at that level of immigration.

I know for many this is a scary time however the government really needs to act up fast as

A) to many people are being allowed in who provide nothing and speak no English (which should be necessary)

B) to many are in unsafe roles

C) British born people are struggling and not getting the same help

It is time for a tighter rhetoric on tbis and not to jump to racism and pull the card. Yes a lot of this will stem from racism. However a lot of people these days are easy to defend and don't see the bigger picture.

Am I so in the wrong for wanting to protect safety and my future, I dont think so? Reform yes for me is the only option left at the moment as we have nothing better to hope for. We need tighter border control we need more deportations and we need to ensure our culture is retained. Like many other countries do, if that is racism then let me go back to school and be re taught. And I think the bigger picture is mass population is now the same as me. People ate waking up and yes benefits system is mostly to blame and needs scrapping to some degree.

Actually, I would advocate you going back to school and being re taught.

Reform won’t do anything, they talk big but actually being responsible for the country would be a nightmare for them. They will suddenly have to deliver all of these things they harp on about from the sidelines and will themselves face heavy criticism.

What is it about British culture you feel is disappearing and needs protecting? I’m very much interested in tangible examples.

My big fear in Welsh elections next year is Reform because it’s pretty much out there that they will not care for the Welsh language/culture. They want to make Wales even more part of the UK and get rid of devolution. I am genuinely worried this will happen.

2 hours ago, Rough_edges said:

If you ever have to be looked after by overseas workers who dont speak English dont know care or compassion but want a visa then god help you. Look at the news this is all going to explode very soon

There were planned protests in a number of places this weekend, was kinda quiet really and in most places the anti-migrant protesters were matched or beaten in numbers by the anti-racists. This is not a majority view, you are living in a bubble in fear of those different from you.

It's also just kinda sad that you clearly see 'overseas workers' as some strange aliens rather than people who think just the same as you and me and can be just like anyone else - interacting with other people across the world and taking the time to get to know them has always been something I've loved doing, and more British people should try it.

3 hours ago, Rough_edges said:

Absolutely agree with the benefits here, and they need to stop it. Majority of people on benefits can work and those who are do bare minimum ao they can get top up. British arent working as its easier not to and not much worse off.

I would also happily rather my tax go to someone struggling however I severely sont think most of this migrants are struggling beforehand and they just eant a way in. Also getting free phone, clothes, driving lessons, accommodation food bills and nhs dentist etc when birtish people cant even afford this and there's people on the streets thats what angers me. Yes put them up in tents or low grade accom but not with all the benefits and not in community's were we arent at that level of immigration.

I know for many this is a scary time however the government really needs to act up fast as

A) to many people are being allowed in who provide nothing and speak no English (which should be necessary)

B) to many are in unsafe roles

C) British born people are struggling and not getting the same help

It is time for a tighter rhetoric on tbis and not to jump to racism and pull the card. Yes a lot of this will stem from racism. However a lot of people these days are easy to defend and don't see the bigger picture.

Am I so in the wrong for wanting to protect safety and my future, I dont think so? Reform yes for me is the only option left at the moment as we have nothing better to hope for. We need tighter border control we need more deportations and we need to ensure our culture is retained. Like many other countries do, if that is racism then let me go back to school and be re taught. And I think the bigger picture is mass population is now the same as me. People ate waking up and yes benefits system is mostly to blame and needs scrapping to some degree.

Your second paragraph is complete misinformed nonsense which is quite dangerous to spread. Asylum seekers DO NOT all get free money automatically, only the most destitute while their asylum is processed, and they get about £50 a week to cover food. clothing, toiletries etc. (£10 a week if your meals are provided), slightly more is given to families and pregnant women. There must also be clear evidence that you need this, god knows where you think they're getting a free phone or driving lessons from, I assume a Facebook post. You can read a bit more here for some actual facts: https://nrpfnetwork.org.uk/information-and-resources/rights-and-entitlements/support-options-for-people-with-nrpf/home-office-support, https://www.gov.uk/asylum-support

Legally, asylum seekers have to be housed while their claims are processed. They are put in basic hotels which they don't get a choice with, where else would you put them in line with our basic obligation to cover Human Rights? In cages?

I think going back to school and learning media literacy wouldn't be the worst thing, as all this post shows is you're far too prone to accept tabloid/social media misinformation.

Depends if they find out what their actual policies are

What do Reform voters actually make of the party's policies? We went to Blackpool to find out.