3 hours ago, Big Fat Sue said:

This is a left wing psrty thst focuses on the economy and rooting our corruption and challenging the burgoide capitalist systsem. That's the main focus.

Yeah, that holds less interest for me personally than advocating for social minority groups, especially where rights have been removed arbitrarily.

Frankly, economically leftwing and socially conservative is about the polar opposite of my politics, so I'd be disappointed if this party fired down that route. Just my personal view. Happy to discuss or debate.

Over 300,000 people have now joined their party!

Yeh, looking at 2025 I don’t think the country has been more socially progressive in its entire history as the main political parties even the centre right ones have been pushed to the left since the 1960s. And of course the Preasure must continue on social issues especially on the trans culture wars but inequality is where left wing parties need to focus now as the post war consensus was successfully undone by the thatcherites of the Tory party since the late 70s!

They should do a deal with the Greens and Lib Dems, the left wing is split too much now.

48 minutes ago, DanielCarey said:

Over 300,000 people have now joined their party!

Hopefully they can convert these into longer-term supporters when the party is fully up-and-running. They've got the momentum behind the idea but it's all for nothing if people take a look at the policies and decide it's not what they signed up for.

So so far the sign-up numbers (now over 400,000) are just those who have signed up for a mailing address. It's a good start, and it shows momentum for later to do deals with the Greens (who lose half of their raison d'etre with this) and ensure there is minimum left-splitting.

Likely if this party showed any signs of being socially conservative it'd lose its support instantly, the target has to be the socially liberal cohort appalled at Labour's moves to the right. Countering those who see Palestine and trans rights as irrelevant by showing them as clear moral virtues of a party where all others are immoral on the issue, for one. Doesn't have to be the focus over economics but it needs to be a necessary part.

22 hours ago, J00prstar said:

Yeah, that holds less interest for me personally than advocating for social minority groups, especially where rights have been removed arbitrarily.

Frankly, economically leftwing and socially conservative is about the polar opposite of my politics, so I'd be disappointed if this party fired down that route. Just my personal view. Happy to discuss or debate.

Neolib parties focus on identity and wedge issues and use that to ignore real change. They'rr just cogs in the capitalist machine. I have nothing but utter disdain for neolib parties. This is real change. Of course they'll support minority rights, but they won't be campaigning on it.

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6 hours ago, Iz 🌟 said:

So so far the sign-up numbers (now over 400,000) are just those who have signed up for a mailing address. It's a good start, and it shows momentum for later to do deals with the Greens (who lose half of their raison d'etre with this) and ensure there is minimum left-splitting.

Likely if this party showed any signs of being socially conservative it'd lose its support instantly, the target has to be the socially liberal cohort appalled at Labour's moves to the right. Countering those who see Palestine and trans rights as irrelevant by showing them as clear moral virtues of a party where all others are immoral on the issue, for one. Doesn't have to be the focus over economics but it needs to be a necessary part.

It's why I'm a bit perplex about this Party. Clearly it will hurt the Left/Centre vote and most issues I suspect they are very aligned to the Green Party (without necessarily the stigma of being associated by the Green brand which can happen) so it will take votes away from the Green. While obviously the Palestinian situation is horrific, campaigning on a single issue is not good and of course while Corbyn has his supporters, his sheer presence is divisive.

Who would have thought centrist Roo would find issues with this 😜

6 hours ago, Big Fat Sue said:

Neolib parties focus on identity and wedge issues and use that to ignore real change. They'rr just cogs in the capitalist machine. I have nothing but utter disdain for neolib parties. This is real change. Of course they'll support minority rights, but they won't be campaigning on it.

If it gets elected.

I hope they actually fight for it and they make sure that their number 1 target is Reform.

Alas, my prediction is they'll go for Starmer and let Nigel sneak past thanks to FPTP. Leftwing moral purity naturally has to come before doing anything practical, but of course we must also obey The Rules and not actually take any meaningful actions whatsoever to actually deliberately crush the spirit of the opposition and force voters away from them.

Idk guys. In my mind there are easy solutions to actually win, and there are solutions that play within nice rules of engagement. In my lifetime, leftwing parties always seem to plump for the latter, rightwing parties go for the former, and when rightwingers win, all of us have to live under whatever insanity they enforce. Then next election, it's rinse and repeat.

28 minutes ago, Steve201 said:

Who would have thought centrist Roo would find issues with this 😜

I don't have an issue with it. I think clearly in the Left there is a an opportunity for a fresh start and a new Party - my problem is with the Leadership/funding, none of them are good leaders and this new set up is basically a re-packaged Green Party. Leading a Party and not solely focusing on domestic issues is a sure fire way to miss the mark. I think you just end up splitting the vote in thw FPTP system, if there is some form of AC/PR then totally I get the need, but just seems a vanity project right now to me. Boasting about sign-ups.. basiclaly just people signing up for a newsletter.

Depends. Labour are tanking nearly all their constituencies as hard as possible in order to look like the sensibles. If Corbyn and Zarah follow the Reform playbook of getting their name in the news however possible, they steal Reform's lunch on the time for a change lot and could be the popular left choice with the traditional centre left party obliterated. That's been the trajectory of the left in France after all.

I see no reason they would be a single issue party at all either. I'm confident economic justice would be a key part of their platform as well as being in the right morally.

Neolib parties are rheir wedge issues and identiry politics, in lieu of advancing and advocating for the people, are a rhing of the past, and eere never a goof thing anyway. I'm all in on thid ACTUAL LEFT WING PARTY FOR THE PEOPLE.

44 minutes ago, Iz 🌟 said:

Depends. Labour are tanking nearly all their constituencies as hard as possible in order to look like the sensibles. If Corbyn and Zarah follow the Reform playbook of getting their name in the news however possible, they steal Reform's lunch on the time for a change lot and could be the popular left choice with the traditional centre left party obliterated. That's been the trajectory of the left in France after all.

I see no reason they would be a single issue party at all either. I'm confident economic justice would be a key part of their platform as well as being in the right morally.

Just can't see it myself. If your Party's brand and leadership is Coryn and Sultana, then no matter how much people think it may be a great idea, ultimately as politicians they are both either too devisive as characters or walk straight in to scoring massive own goals. I admire people's optimism, but just don't see it with Corbyn at the helm of anything.

Do you even know or were aware of Zarah before this?

4 hours ago, Iz 🌟 said:

That's been the trajectory of the left in France after all.

congrats Ed Davey on becoming the next prime minister!!!

8 hours ago, Rooney said:

Just can't see it myself. If your Party's brand and leadership is Coryn and Sultana, then no matter how much people think it may be a great idea, ultimately as politicians they are both either too devisive as characters or walk straight in to scoring massive own goals. I admire people's optimism, but just don't see it with Corbyn at the helm of anything.

I mean I would be somewhat sympathetic to that argument if some of our most successful politicians in recent years weren't Teflon Farage and Boris, who said whatever and got through by virtue of being a big political beast (which Corbyn is, his statements still get news articles written about them), or saying Corbyn & Sultana are scoring own goals when their competition is this Labour government.

also yeah, Sultana's been building a name for herself as the Corbyn successor for the last 5 years, in the Labour party until the Starmer faction made it impossible for her. At the Labour leadership election in 2020 I would have loved her to step up but was aware that she was still a little too green, now she's got the experience and the time to state her positions. Corbyn's age was the factor that I was concerned about with a popular front left, by launching it with Sultana, this sets her up clearly as the torch carrier and in the ideal scenario, she can spend the rest of the parliament becoming a household name and taking over from Jezza, she has the rare skill among left politicians in this country to get her statements front and centre, even if she isn't perfect (and sometimes that is ideal, more talk about you).

Of course, yes, this could easily fizzle out without the proper support, but this is exactly the sort of danger that Labour strategists should have feared by 'crushing the left', and there is a clear world where the Labour government continues to get more unpopular and most of their natural support flows to a party without any of their baggage - like what has literally just happened on the right.

41 minutes ago, Iz 🌟 said:

I mean I would be somewhat sympathetic to that argument if some of our most successful politicians in recent years weren't Teflon Farage and Boris, who said whatever and got through by virtue of being a big political beast (which Corbyn is, his statements still get news articles written about them), or saying Corbyn & Sultana are scoring own goals when their competition is this Labour government.

also yeah, Sultana's been building a name for herself as the Corbyn successor for the last 5 years, in the Labour party until the Starmer faction made it impossible for her. At the Labour leadership election in 2020 I would have loved her to step up but was aware that she was still a little too green, now she's got the experience and the time to state her positions. Corbyn's age was the factor that I was concerned about with a popular front left, by launching it with Sultana, this sets her up clearly as the torch carrier and in the ideal scenario, she can spend the rest of the parliament becoming a household name and taking over from Jezza, she has the rare skill among left politicians in this country to get her statements front and centre, even if she isn't perfect (and sometimes that is ideal, more talk about you).

Of course, yes, this could easily fizzle out without the proper support, but this is exactly the sort of danger that Labour strategists should have feared by 'crushing the left', and there is a clear world where the Labour government continues to get more unpopular and most of their natural support flows to a party without any of their baggage - like what has literally just happened on the right.

I was aware Sultana was making a new for herself on the left, but wasn't sure she was going to pick up the mantle from Corbyn.

This Party is literally the Green Party and these characters thrive in this sort of environment, much like Reform do. Have all the solutions to the problems without having the nous to actually make them politically relevant. Look I know he's well liked my man on here, but Corbyn is an absolute clown. Still don't forgive him for being a terrible leader at the time of the Brexit vote and it was only fairly recently he said Ukraine should give up their weaponary! These people just can't help themselves from making politcial gaffes.

I do agree there is space for the left to rise up, but this current inclination is nothing more than a protest party which helps Reform imo.

Anything can happen. It could pressure Labour to be different. It could end up challenging Labour as the main faction, it could go nowhere, it could help or hinder reform. End of the day politics should be about supporting policies or things you believe in not copy and paste stuff from whoever wins with a different leader for people to hate so it’s definitely a healthy good thing as a concept even if I get the vibe it’s going to get very toxic