Yes, because it's a very interesting case! And I DO follow her career, always listen to her albums (except Christmas albums, because they are unlistenable in general) and seen her live several times!

Edited Saturday at 06:505 days by Sour Candy

2 minutes ago, Sour Candy said:

Yes, because it's a very interesting case! And I DO follow her career, always listen to her albums (except Christmas albums, because they are unlistenable in general) and seen her live several times!

Nice try.

6 hours ago, Adelita said:

I don't get Kylie Minogue's appeal at all: she's not a good singer, she's not a good dancer, and she didn't write or produce any of her top 20 best-selling songs in the UK. It's incredible how an industry plant like that lasted so long.

You don’t have to like Kylie as an artist, but “industry plant” is such a stupid term and it’s so cringe that you’ve used it against her. You should also fact check what she has in fact written, before stating things that aren’t true.

What even IS an ‘industry plant’???

12 minutes ago, GreyAsh said:

What even IS an ‘industry plant’???

It feels like a term thrown around basically when they can't understand someone's success

Is tis all the sales info or do we know what One More Sleep sold?

3 minutes ago, 777666jason said:

It feels like a term thrown around basically when they can't understand someone's success

But HOW can someone be an industry plant?

If someone was around from the start of Kylie‘s career, they’d know it was a combination of factors.

She was already Australia’s most popular actress before she started her singing career, and even in the UK, my then 90-year-old neighbour absolutely adored her.

She had some extremely catchy tunes that kids like me loved, and we were the record buyers of the day.

And if you can combine that with such a positive personality, and a tenacious attitude, it begins to explain her success.

Industry plants aren't a thing🤣

Seriously if every label knew the formula to make someone a success they'd all be planting artists in the industry.

For every Sabrina there's 200 other artists signed that sadly end up being dropped or never get to release records!!

Look at Raye....She was relatively unknown to the wider public (People knew the songs but didn't really know the artist behind them) She goes on socials calls a label out, does it her way Escapism blows up and now she's a global superstar (Deservedly so) if that had happened overnight she would also be labelled a 'Industry plant'

Ridiculous!

Edited Saturday at 08:355 days by Mr. C. Joel

I have also noticed when derogative stuff is said like what that person said it is normally A fan of a female against another female artist. Sad but true. Use the block feature wisely as I have learnt to do over the last few days, it lowers the stress levels

The concept of discussion on DISCUSSION FORUM causing a stress...

8 hours ago, Adelita said:

I don't get Kylie Minogue's appeal at all: she's not a good singer, she's not a good dancer, and she didn't write or produce any of her top 20 best-selling songs in the UK. It's incredible how an industry plant like that lasted so long.

I have never got this "they don't write their own songs" put down, I might be an amazing song-writer but can't sing a note does that mean no one ever hears my brilliant songs?

This put down has always been ridiculous what if you can sing amazingly well but have no idea how to write a song so are you saying no singer should ever sing a song they haven't written?

1 hour ago, Mr. C. Joel said:

Industry plants aren't a thing🤣

Seriously if every label knew the formula to make someone a success they'd all be planting artists in the industry.

For every Sabrina there's 200 other artists signed that sadly end up being dropped or never get to release records!!

Look at Raye....She was relatively unknown to the wider public (People knew the songs but didn't really know the artist behind them) She goes on socials calls a label out, does it her way Escapism blows up and now she's a global superstar (Deservedly so) if that had happened overnight she would also be labelled a 'Industry plant'

Ridiculous!

I'm a but terrified to say this, but you brought up Sabrina Carpenter, and people getting dropped.

How in Earth did Sabrina never get dropped? She had flop after flop for what seemed like an eternity. And she was actually getting promoted well the entire time (I follow the US radio charts and she had amongst the worst CHR/Top 40 airplay-to-streaming ratios I've ever seen. That obviously changed in the past 24 months or so, but I mean before then). Other artists flop once or twice and get dropped or at best the label decides not to drop them but invests the minimal money and promotion into them.

Why did Sabrina not get this treatment? Is it because she was a child TV star so her label thought it was worth persevering with her because she was already famous? That's the only reason I can think of.

Just now, Eric_Blob said:

I'm a but terrified to say this, but you brought up Sabrina Carpenter, and people getting dropped.

How in Earth did Sabrina never get dropped? She had flop after flop for what seemed like an eternity. And she was actually getting promoted well the entire time (I follow the US radio charts and she had amongst the worst CHR/Top 40 airplay-to-streaming ratios I've ever seen. That obviously changed in the past 24 months or so, but I mean before then). Other artists flop once or twice and get dropped or at best the label decides not to drop them but invests the minimal money and promotion into them.

Why did Sabrina not get this treatment? Is it because she was a child TV star so her label thought it was worth persevering with her because she was already famous? That's the only reason I can think of.

In the streaming era it feels like less and less artists get dropped. You’re only one TikTok away from a big hit so it’s better for labels to keep underperformers signed.

Streaming is also is not where labels make money, it’s all in 360 deals. If artists tour, even to smaller fan bases, they can still make a decent return for a label.

9 minutes ago, Eric_Blob said:

I'm a but terrified to say this, but you brought up Sabrina Carpenter, and people getting dropped.

How in Earth did Sabrina never get dropped? She had flop after flop for what seemed like an eternity. And she was actually getting promoted well the entire time (I follow the US radio charts and she had amongst the worst CHR/Top 40 airplay-to-streaming ratios I've ever seen. That obviously changed in the past 24 months or so, but I mean before then). Other artists flop once or twice and get dropped or at best the label decides not to drop them but invests the minimal money and promotion into them.

Why did Sabrina not get this treatment? Is it because she was a child TV star so her label thought it was worth persevering with her because she was already famous? That's the only reason I can think of.

Sabrina has always had a fanbase from being a child TV star and had way more work so she didn't need chart hits because she was still making the label money in terms of smaller tours etc plus her songs while not having chart success did have pretty decent streams.

When artists get dropped it's not always about chart hits but if they are making the label money, Lot's of artists haven't had hits but can sell out smaller venues / sell a good amount of merch or get numerous brand deals / endorsements etc because they have a small dedicated fanbase.

I mean look at Halsey, she's a big name and her label won't let her release as her last album flopped but a smaller artist who due to a solid fanbase is putting out a consistent stream of money even on a small scale for the label is a good return of investment.

I think Kylie being called an industry plant is one of the top 5 most ridiculous things I've read on here (and that's saying something x)

3 hours ago, GreyAsh said:

What even IS an ‘industry plant’???

Rita Ora

3 hours ago, Paddington James said:

Is tis all the sales info or do we know what One More Sleep sold?

I can only guess it, but probably about 16k.

22 minutes ago, JosephCarey said:

I think Kylie being called an industry plant is one of the top 5 most ridiculous things I've read on here (and that's saying something x)

Other 4 cmon we need receipts 🤣

Just now, 777666jason said:

Other 4 cmon we need receipts 🤣

Maybe you are the other 4 😝